Current Peace Conference system is just broken and unbalanced..
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you're the one who proposed forcing the AI to not take land it doesn't border, so you defend that.
I just noticed you said minors, but there are still many minors that can justifiably great colonies
Oh please if you people want a peace system that only some countries take advantage of and other countries don't, what you want was never what the devs intended and never what I would want to see.
You need to grow up a bit and realize you cannot have your cake and eat it to.
You can call me names like "apologist for PDX" but anyone who has seen my posts over the years knows that most are criticisms and complaints. When when I see a pretty ignorant and misguided complaint, I'll be calling it out.
You need to grow up a bit and realize you cannot have your cake and eat it to.
You can call me names like "apologist for PDX" but anyone who has seen my posts over the years knows that most are criticisms and complaints. When when I see a pretty ignorant and misguided complaint, I'll be calling it out.
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I haven't seen the stream, but isn't it a case that you can only demand up to the value of your contribution?
Could it have been possible that Estonia was the only country left to give something to, as the others had already used up their contribution?
Could it have been possible that Estonia was the only country left to give something to, as the others had already used up their contribution?
Give me an example of a minor nation who has a strong navy and the capacity to make a colonial empire in the 1940s.
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Oh yes, how naive of the player to invade Afghanistan and expect to actually receive it. Instead, the Estonian diplomat should barge in and demand that half the country be added to its sphere of influence.
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Estonia is definitely not one of them, especially not for a colony that is a landlocked mountainous zone that is very far away.
Oh please if you people want a peace system that only some countries take advantage of and other countries don't, what you want was never what the devs intended and never what I would want to see.
You need to grow up a bit and realize you cannot have your cake and eat it to.
You can call me names like "apologist for PDX" but anyone who has seen my posts over the years knows that most are criticisms and complaints. When when I see a pretty ignorant and misguided complaint, I'll be calling it out.
If you want to see stuff like Estonia puppeting Afghanistan, you're welcomed to play without historical AI.
But there is something many people who play history games like to see, and it's that game being grounded in reality. People don't want a railroaded game, people want a game that is realistic and plausible. Italy creating some colonies in Asia is plausible, but Estonia puppeting Afghanistan is ridiculous.
In this case, Estonia should've just passed their turn instead of doing something dumb like that, if it was historical AI at least.
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Netherlands, Belgium, Spain, China, an independent India, Canada and even Poland could all create a colonial empire easily if they won. Also in certain regions I could see colonies from Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, or any independent African nation with a port
EDIT:I could also see a scenario where an expansionist South American nation creates colonies in Africa or Asia
please quote where I ever defended Estonian Afghanistan.
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Please quote were I said you defend Estonian Afghanistan.
I simply remarked that Estonia is not one of them, to ensure that people reading this will know that while some nations could've build a colonial empire, many like the Baltic states could not have.
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I don't get why "historical" means nations should not get to use the war contribution they have earned.
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Estonia puppeting Afghanistan is not historical, or even realistic.
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Some of those already have colonies, and the rest should be possible but should only occur in the sandbox mode. Still creating random landlocked puppets like Estonian Afghanistan should never be allowed.
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Why? What part of running a puppet government is Estonia not capable of?
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I don't think it's a matter of history - just what makes sense. The AI basically messed up things for the player because it could, without receiving much benefit for itself. Half of Aghanistan as a puppet does nothing for Estonia.
It's a landlocked desert puppet regime in Afghanistan.
Estonia does not have the capacity to govern such lands so far away.
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I don't understand what you people are whining about. If Estonia wants Afganistan so bad then let 'em have it. It's their problem to keep hold over it, which with pretty much non-existent navy and the fact that Afganistan is landlocked, simply shouldn't be possible. If a country is a puppet of a nation that has no realistic ability to hold it then they should raise up and declare themselves independent. But if Estonia had literally nothing else to get from that Peace conference then why not let them have their fun for a few days or weeks or however long it takes for Afganistan to figure out what or where Estonia is and declare their puppet-status null and void. Estonia probably fought hard in that war, sure maybe not against Afganistan but they deserve to get something out of it just as everyone else, kind of arrogant to say "Just pass your turn, there's nothing here for your pathetic little country to gain". "Screw that! I'm taking Afganistan, ya'll can suck it!"
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I don't know if there are any ways for puppets to declare independence. The fact is Estonia had no reason to want it. They just took it because they had war contribution left over.
I don't think there are any mechanics for puppets to declare independence.
Regardless, the AI should be stopped for making idiotic decisions. And Estonia trying to take a puppet that doesn't benefit them in any way is pretty much be definition idiotic. It would be a lot smarter if Estonia passed their turn, so one of their allies that does have the capacity to take said puppet can.
Precisely my point. I have no idea if puppets can declare independece or not in HoI4, my post i more about the logic behind of Estonia puppeting Afganistan rather than actual gameplay.
Except they aren't, that's the whole point of a puppet. They run themselves except ultimately they take orders, especially foreign policy, from Estonia.
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