Curia and papal influence: bugged or unintelligible?

[Assalander]

Seriously, would anyone (a dev, preferably) care to explain how it works, or whether it just doesn't in the demo?

I got the principle of the vote thing. However:

1) How is it determined which cardinal enter the Curia? It's definitely not the oldest (I actually I saw the youngest of them enter it once), nor the one with the most votes. Is it the one whose controller has the most papal influence?

2) Is there any way to get a notification with a pause when a new cardinal is available? I check regularly but each time I see a new one the AI has already dumped so much influence on him that I can't possibly beat it because of the cap on papal influence, even when my relations with the Pope are maxed, and thus I just have 50ish influence laying around that I can't never spend. In the 20 years of the demo, I was able to sway a cardinal only once, and I had one in the Curia to help. It's manageable in the beginning, but as game progresses the amounts of votes even on new cardinals becomes ridiculous. How are you supposed to beat this?

 

[beckermt]

1. Well, it's supposed to be the oldest.

2. A notification would basically fix this. Or being allowed to invest points without needing the 10<, but then you might waste a lot of points.

 

[unmerged(263664)]

I saw youngest cardinal entering Curia aswell. In message settings is option bout inform when new cardinal is chosen...ofc not working in any way. Also I noticed that many events didnt give me papal influence and around 50 influence it stop going up.

 

[Assalander]

I saw youngest cardinal entering Curia aswell. In message settings is option bout inform when new cardinal is chosen...ofc not working in any way. Also I noticed that many events didnt give me papal influence and around 50 influence it stop going up.

Yes it's capped depending on your yearly gain. I think this is WAD, it's just not explained anywhere I could find.

And it's still weird how new cardinals have 16 or 26 votes when you notice them early game (giving you a chance to use your PI), but later they are past 60 almost instantly. Makes me think something is not working properly.

 

[unmerged(263664)]

Yes it's capped depending on your yearly gain. I think this is WAD, it's just not explained anywhere I could find.

And it's still weird how new cardinals have 16 or 26 votes when you notice them early game (giving you a chance to use your PI), but later they are past 60 almost instantly. Makes me think something is not working properly.

Maybe cardinal getting some initial influence from country where he was born, it will make sense. But anyway it seems cardinals are broken...AGAIN.

 

[barretta]

I felt the same way at first about prohibitive cost.

The "price" keeps going up as you don't lose your investment in votes (influence). I vote 15, France raises by voting 25. I see their 25 and add 20 more taking me to 35.... and so on. That's how you end up seeing numbers in the 100s.
What I would like to see is a new WORKING.. notification (sorry cheap shot at all the broken ones) of when someone out votes one of your cardinals and maybe another one anytime you have enough votes to be able to influence one. That would take some of the micromanagement away.

Also somewhere to see other peoples influence at a glance would be nice so you can determine who is eligible for excommunication (this could be hiding somewhere already and I did not spot it.)

Cheers!

 

[spinoza013]

Possibly a Demo limitation. For what purpose? who am I to second guess the paradox gods. I'll wait for full game before getting overly concerned.

 

[Assalander]

Possibly a Demo limitation. For what purpose? who am I to second guess the paradox gods. I'll wait for full game before getting overly concerned.

They only confirmed they are working on the notification issue regarding peace deals when you are ally in a war. It would be nice to confirm that this is on the list too, or that it is working properly and then explain how it's working exactly.

As for the price going on the longer a cardinal has been present, I can understand it. The problem is that early on, by the time you notice a new cardinal appeared, he had 16 or 26 votes on him. Later on (past 1500), it's 60 or 70. As if countries have been accumulating papal influence and never loses it.

The problem is probably that with the cap on papal influence, it's a "first arrived, first served" kind of mechanic. Hence, without notification, you're gonna always lose to the AI, and with notification (or if you play with the papal window constantly open), you will always beat the AI. Fun...

 

[spinoza013]

They only confirmed they are working on the notification issue regarding peace deals when you are ally in a war. It would be nice to confirm that this is on the list too, or that it is working properly and then explain how it's working exactly.

Cool. To be forewarned is to be forearmed I guess .

 

[Assalander]

Cool. To be forewarned is to be forearmed I guess .

But still no info about this issue

Note that this is my main issue witht he game right now, proving it to be great!