Cultures?

[Generalisimo]

Originally posted by N Katsyev
Anywho, I think it will be quite necessary to have multiple cultures within a province. This could bring about interesting issues of "catering to the majority" and the like. My rather poor and undeveloped view of Victoria so far envisions provinces with x units of population who then form various social and economic classes. Each of these units of population will have a specific culture. The only problem I see of this system right off, is when converting these units of population into military units, how do we prevent people from carrying on with a form of genocide in gathering all the "undesirable" population units and tossing them onto the front line.

that's exactly what i was thinking... but remember, if that people that you send to the front doesn't "identify" with what they are figthing for, they must receive some penalty, so if you expect to win wars as Germany, don't build ONLY "negros" army from your colonies, or, more on topic, if you are the south don't build your armies ONLY with "negros"...
That will easilly stop the player using ONLY the "undesirable" population for an army, because if they use the "common culture" of the nation, they shouldn't receive a penalty, so they will fight better than the others.

Also, one good thing will be, supose a colony of Spain, a revolt breaks, instead of sending armies from europe, they raise an army in that colony (a province near the revolt), when that "colonial army" goes to fight against the revolters, they MUST receive a penaly, specially if this army is from the same culture of the revolters.

 

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Originally posted by N Katsyev
And the south that was pretty much the birthplace of the democratic party... However, it does seem there have been a couple too many republicans hanging around down here in recent years. I suppose its just another sign its time to skip country, hopefully not much more than a year left.

And yes, being born and raised in Maine, i'd say i'm very much culturally different from those around me in Charleston. Better educated for one...

Can someone say George Clooney!

 

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Originally posted by czaralex
Can someone say George Clooney!

*lol*

 

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What...?! I don´t get it! Why bring Geroge Clooney into the discussion?!

 

[N Katsyev]

Originally posted by christianx
What...?! I don´t get it! Why bring Geroge Clooney into the discussion?!

I don't get it either, but that's okay.

Anyway, a penalty for various cultures for each country could definitely be a way to handle the situation, and prevent what could become a huge exploit.

 

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Originally posted by christianx
What...?! I don´t get it! Why bring Geroge Clooney into the discussion?!

The comment about getting out of the USA made by Katsyev is almost a direct quote from what George said when asked what he would do if George W. Bush would get elected president! SUPRISINGLY, GEORGE CLOONEY NEVER LEFT? But can one actully expect honesty from liberals, anyway? I didn't think so!

 

[N Katsyev]

Ah, but Mr. Clooney isn't married to an Australian citizen and had previous plans to leave already now did he?.... And if he did... scratch that.

The whole thing about Liberals and honesty is just silly.

 

[Earl Uhtred]

Originally posted by Generalisimo
That will easilly stop the player using ONLY the "undesirable" population for an army, because if they use the "common culture" of the nation, they shouldn't receive a penalty, so they will fight better than the others.

Kool. That would be particularly interesting for, say, Austria, forced to mete out limited numbers of 'Kaisertreu' Germans among their sullen, spitting Magyar / Slavic cannon-fodder.

 

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That convosation was almost making me forget what was the actual topic...

I think that you should have a reasonable amount of different cultures but have certain families such as Britian and it's offshoots (American, Canadian, Austrian, Kiwi). Additionly, there should be larger groups till you get to continent cultures. Each different level should have a varying degree of penaltys/bonuses. Maybe if the culture tree is something like this:

                                     Human Race
                                               l
                     _____________l________________
                     l                l                 l               l
              European    Oriental     African      Middle Eastern
           _____l                l                 l               l
           l                          l                ....            Jewish
           l                          l                                Arab
           l                          l                                 Kurdish
           l                          l                                Iraqi
           l                          l                                Iranian
           l                          l                                 Turkish
           l                          l                                 Berber
           l      __________l_____________________________
           l      l                                   l                              l    
           l     Far East                     Indochina               Island
                  l                                   l                              l
    _______l___________            (Thai, Lao                l
    l                l                   l            Vietnamese)            l
Japanese   Korean      Chinese                                     l
                                         l                                  (Philippino, 
             ______________l____________           Indonesian,
             l                           l                       l           Malay)
         Cantonese           Mandarian         Nepali
                               
                                
            l                    
            l
      ___l_______________________   
      l                          l                        l     
Germanic                Latin                 Slav          
      l                          l                        l (Finnish)
      l                          l    (Hungarian, Polish, Yugoslavian, Russian)
      l              ______l____________________
      l              l                           l                        l
      l          French                Iberian               Italian            
      l                                          l 
      l              ______________l______________
      l              l                           l                           l
      l           Portugese   Mainland Spanish    Latin American  
      l 
      l_____________________________________________
      l                                 l                       l                                l
  British                      German              Dutch            Scandinavian 
      l                                 l                                                  l
      l                 ________l_________________                l
      l                 l                           l                      l                l
      l            High German         Swiss            Austrian         l
      l                                                                                    l
      l                             ____________________________l   
      l                             l                           l                           l 
      l                  Norwegian              Swedish                  Danish
      l
      l______________________________________________
      l                      l                      l                       l                      l
British            American        Canadian         Australian           Kiwi
      l                      l                      l                                  (after 1890
      l              ____l_______        l                                     or WWI)
      l              l                      l       l
      l      Yankee North      "Dixie" South
      l                                     l       l
      l                  (Texas, Lousiania, Carolinas, Florida?)
      l                                             l
      l       (Perhaps have different cultures for the different
      l        territories until Trans-Canadian Railway built 
      l        (To reflect the internal disunity(for event maybe?)))
      l
      l______________________
      l                                            l
Mainland                             Colonies (expecially small Polynesian
                                             island)

Wow that took longer than I expected...Anyway, I think that you should be able to have "mini" cultures within larger cultures. Also have cultures that come and go with events to reflect different movements.

 

[Arilou]

It should be interesting if each "population point" could have it's own culture and/or political affiliation...

 

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Except immigrants would be a special case. The U.S. ended up with 27 million immigrants in this period, who were eventually integrated. Meanwhile, Austria-Hungary shouldn't be able to integrate all the different ethnicities in the empire. Perhaps there should be different degrees of nationalism for different cultures as well?

 

[Earl Uhtred]

Assimilation (or lack thereof) could be a function of domestic policy. That way, AH could move from a German Catholic playground to Dual Monarchy to a hypothetical German / Magyar / Slav confederation if the player wished it - at the cost, perhaps, of stability.

 

[Alexandre]

Originally posted by N Katsyev

So on topic, there should probably be a few US cultures, maybe something along the lines of:

New Englander - Obvious here, peoples from New England, the chosen culture.
Atlantic Statesman - One from places such as New York, possibly down to Virginia, including Penn state as well.

Sorry, New York is *not* Mid-Atlantic. There is a reason why one always talks about New York and New England, not about New York and the Mid-Atlantic states.

Alexandre