Cultures in the game that currently have no associated country?

[Kansai-kun]

Two words: sami, karelian

Saw them wiped off the map most of the time, either by Sweden or Russia. As soon as a small culture is not accepted it's finished.

 

[AndreasPhokas]

Id love to conquer the world as sapmi or Karelia!

 

[nalfz]

Saw them wiped off the map most of the time, either by Sweden or Russia. As soon as a small culture is not accepted it's finished.

I think you're forgetting that a slovene culture would cover 2-3 very valuable provinces and have a base tax of 16-25 which is roughly on the same level as Gascon or Croatian

 

[Kansai-kun]

I think you're forgetting that a slovene culture would cover 2-3 very valuable provinces and have a base tax of 16-25 which is roughly on the same level as Gascon or Croatian

Would that really matter? Austria has almost always a surplus of diplomatic points, so every non-accepted, non-German culture wiill be dead as soon as they have points to spare - I've seen the same happen to Wallonian and Croatian provinces more times than I can count. As long as they don't either change the cultural conversion mechanic or harde-code Austria to not do that, new cultures are fated to vanish from the game very quickly.

 

[nalfz]

Would that really matter? Austria has almost always a surplus of diplomatic points, so every non-accepted, non-German culture wiill be dead as soon as they have points to spare - I've seen the same happen to Wallonian and Croatian provinces more times than I can count. As long as they don't either change the cultural conversion mechanic or harde-code Austria to not do that, new cultures are fated to vanish from the game very quickly.

Would that really matter?
They exist. It's pretty weird to arbitrarily remove them anyway.

 

[SignedName]

Wouldn't a way to prevent Austria from doing that be to give it an idea that drastically reduces the accepted culture floor? It wouldn't be ahistorical; Austria was a multi-ethnic empire.

 

[Kansai-kun]

Wouldn't a way to prevent Austria from doing that be to give it an idea that drastically reduces the accepted culture floor? It wouldn't be ahistorical; Austria was a multi-ethnic empire.

Multi-ethnic doesn't mean they were tolerant.

 

[SignedName]

Multi-ethnic doesn't mean they were tolerant.

True, but it helps keep minority cultures alive.

 

[Mikalos]

True, but it helps keep minority cultures alive.

and be a different kind of ahistorical mess

 

[Kansai-kun]

and be a different kind of ahistorical mess

That. People would then complain about Austria being ahistorically tolerant, etc. Considering the current mechanics, it's just not worth it to add some cultures to the game. That's probably the same reason why Hungary's a monolithic blob instead of being more culturally diverse or why all of Anatolia's Turkish.

 

[balmung60]

I think you're forgetting that a slovene culture would cover 2-3 very valuable provinces and have a base tax of 16-25 which is roughly on the same level as Gascon or Croatian

Yeah, that won't help. Like half of the reason you can't convert cultures if their primary tag exists or they have nationalism is because England would annihilate the French culture in all of their mainland provinces and Austria would vaporize all non-Austrian cultures in their empire (including, but not limited to everything in the Low Countries).

 

[darthfanta]

Plenty in China.Cantonese doesn't have a country for example.Funny thing is that the real Cantonese actually consider Ming their country but wasn't accepted as a culture in EUIV.

 

[nalfz]

Yeah, that won't help. Like half of the reason you can't convert cultures if their primary tag exists or they have nationalism is because England would annihilate the French culture in all of their mainland provinces and Austria would vaporize all non-Austrian cultures in their empire (including, but not limited to everything in the Low Countries).

Yeah that's not the point
My point was that it's not a 'small culture'. In terms of base tax it's quite big
And also, the AI really doesn't have the forethought to save up enough bird mana to culture-convert a 9 base tax province

 

[Xinkc]

While the French minor cultures all have nations that are listed as primary, they don't really act as such when it comes to the permanence of cores. This has bugged me for a while.

 

[petertel123]

karelian is a useless culture ingame with only one 1 BT province and no tag, it should just become finnish or russian

 

[balmung60]

Yeah that's not the point
My point was that it's not a 'small culture'. In terms of base tax it's quite big
And also, the AI really doesn't have the forethought to save up enough bird mana to culture-convert a 9 base tax province

And my point was that the AI already has a tendency to completely eliminate larger cultures than what you're talking about.

 

[Kansai-kun]

And my point was that the AI already has a tendency to completely eliminate larger cultures than what you're talking about.

Exactly. Everything the AI doesn't at least tolerate (like Germanic cultures for Austria) will be assimilated.

 

[ChildeR]

I've been playing as Kurland a lot lately and it got me thinking about how Estonian and Latvian don't have any country tags associated with them (Estonian patriot rebels appear to return to their native...nowhere!). The tags I know of that currently have no associated country are:

Sami
Karelian
Estonian
Latvian

I mostly play Europe so I don't know if there are any floating around in ROTW

There are a bunch of cultures without a primary nation: http://www.eu4wiki.com/Cultures#List_of_culture_groups

 

[olm]

karelian is a useless culture ingame with only one 1 BT province and no tag, it should just become finnish or russian

Nah, solution is to give Karelians more provinces

 

[nalfz]

And my point was that the AI already has a tendency to completely eliminate larger cultures than what you're talking about.

I'm gonna have to disagree with you there because I've never seen any cultural spreading like that
At any rate, last time I checked slovenes are real, which is kind of reason enough