Culture Changes

[Nintz]

Not 100% sure this is a bug, as it might be intended.

I was looking at the revised events for culture shifting (Events 55000 and 55001) and found that they no longer fire in any demesne province.

I confirmed this in-game, when I attempted a Mande custom character in Navarra. It never wanted to convert any more than my capitol.

I am thinking this is uninteded though, because it makes cultural shifts over large areas nigh impossible, thus rather game-breaking. If this IS intended, I would at least like to know, even if I would disagree with it.

 

[unmerged(242259)]

Why would the population of Navarre ever culture shift to Mande, the culture of a single character therein, when they've resisted hispanicization for nigh on a thousand years?

I at least don't consider being able to turn half of Europe to your ruler's culture in 15 years to be a feature, nor its removal at all game-breaking.

 

[Sleight of Hand]

How does culture conversion work now? I agree it was ridiculously rapid before, but I'm confused as to how it works now.

 

[Nintz]

That particular game was an experiment.

If I had been Castillian, Catalan, or Occitan it would have made more sense. But the point stands.

And while it was way way too fast normally, now it is basically impossible to change culture if you rule over, say, Ireland as a Breton for 400 years. Maybe one province, your capitol.

@ Sleight of Hand

As far as I can tell, it doesn't. It is only theoretically possible to change your capitol's culture, no other demense province.

 

[Sleight of Hand]

So aside from Saxon > English (as it has a specific event chain) it's now impossible for culture to change?

I remember reading that there's now an event to convert a liege to his province's culture -- this would be good for German rulers in the Netherlands to become Dutch instead of changing those provinces German.

 

[Nintz]

There is *techically* culture change events, but they don't really work en masse.

But yes, there is an event like you said. Events 55010 and 55011 if I remember correctly.

 

[Polar Mongoose]

Event 55000 does fire in demesne provinces, I converted Devon and the Cornwall from Breton to Saxon while they were in my demesne. The event takes forever to fire if you have bad stewardship though.

I would like to know what the triggers for event 55001 mean though.

 

[Nintz]

I haven't gotten the event to fire for a non-capitol province yet...

Though I also haven't had it fire normally. My set-up games have only used it via the console, and I have seen a number of events that don't console correctly.
I'll go back and see if I play a whole game, how it works.

 

[LaBretonniere]

I had an event in my current game to have the culture of the province of Dublin change from Norwegian to Irish after a long reign of an Irish-cultured king whose capital as the Duke of Meath was Dublin, so it's still working at least for capitals in some cases.

 

[unmerged(26764)]

The settler event at least seems to require the primary title to match the culture you're changing to. Those are set in the database per title, although not every title has one. So for example, in my wales game when Irish duchies became de jure wales they started shifting culture.

Where this is a real problem is with empires because, for example, Scandinavia is set as swedish. So a Danish cultured Scandinavia won't get these culture changes and a swedish one will. Britannia has no culture so this will never fire for them. And even if kingdoms, England has no culture either so they'll never get settler culture changes at all.

Someone really needs to explain what the events were meant to change and if they're working, because my inkling is they're not. They're written very poorly for anyone other than the person who coded them to understand what was intended.

 

[unmerged(26764)]

Please see the thread in the main forum where people are doing experiments and tinkering with the script, suggesting this event is bugged or somehow not working as intended.

 

[Emre Yigit]

To whit: http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?618798-Change-in-Culture-Change

I can certainly say that the mechanics have changed quite a bit.

 

[unmerged(26764)]

I did more experiments, reflected in the main forum thread.

It's the settler event that's working strange. We would appreciate some insight from the devs if this is working correct and as intended, and what exactly is intended.