Cultural retinue bonuses

[Isaios]

So each cultural retinue has a bonus equalling +60% something, but some (most) of the retinues have two types of units.

Take Byzantine Cataphraktoi for instance. They are comprised of 300 Heavy Cavalry and 200 Horse Archers, each getting +30% to offense. The English/Welsh building on the other hand is comprised of 500 Archers getting +60% offense.

Why? It seems more logical that every type of unit in the retinue gets a total of +60% to something. From what I can tell, the retinue bonus only applies to the retinues, so it's not like it would make anything unbalanced.

 

[A_Dane]

So each cultural retinue has a bonus equalling +60% something, but some (most) of the retinues have two types of units.

Take Byzantine Cataphraktoi for instance. They are comprised of 300 Heavy Cavalry and 200 Horse Archers, each getting +30% to offense. The English/Welsh building on the other hand is comprised of 500 Archers getting +60% offense.

Why? It seems more logical that every type of unit in the retinue gets a total of +60% to something. From what I can tell, the retinue bonus only applies to the retinues, so it's not like it would make anything unbalanced.

Well, all things being equal, that Cataphraktoi retinues will tear apart the welsh one without any trouble either way.. And you gotta remember, the heavy cavalry and the horse archers fight in 2 different phases, while the archers only fight in 1.

that would indeed be giving them an unfair advantage..

 

[Isaios]

Well, all things being equal, that Cataphraktoi retinues will tear apart the welsh one without any trouble either way.. And you gotta remember, the heavy cavalry and the horse archers fight in 2 different phases, while the archers only fight in 1.

that would indeed be giving them an unfair advantage..

Of course, but would the one unit of Cataphraktoi be equal to 3.2 units of Longbowmen?

 

[A_Dane]

Pretty sure it would actually, heavy cavalry tears apart pretty much anything...

But can you really get 3,2 times as many longbows for the same cost in gold/manpower? Will have to experiment a little with this.

 

[Isaios]

Pretty sure it would actually, heavy cavalry tears apart pretty much anything...

But can you really get 3,2 times as many longbows for the same cost in gold/manpower? Will have to experiment a little with this.

I was calculating only manpower there. As far as I can tell though, the cultural retinues cost the same; 0.08 gold per manpower.

 

[CB60]

Pretty sure it would actually, heavy cavalry tears apart pretty much anything...

Didn't at Crecy, or Agincourt.:happy:

 

[Yenzen]

Still, most any +15% special building is far superior to their Latin and Greek counterparts because the bonus is both higher and apply to far more troops. I think the knight ones should at least produce some more troops. I simply can't see any reason to bulls the Greek and Latin special buildings right now only to get 20-25 troops.

 

[A_Dane]

Didn't at Crecy, or Agincourt.:happy:

True, but in the game, unless your opponent has a similar retinue, the heavy cavalry will just devastate them

(Well, pikes excluded, but I've had no trouble slaughtering 15k armies with my 8k knight retinues as Breton Wales :s)