Hello lovely Paradoxians!
For those of you who have seen me post before, many of you know I'm a big supporter of an overhaul of the cultural system that currently exists in Crusader Kings II. One of my biggest issues is simply that there is no way to get an ending culture map of CK2 which looks anything like that of EU4, which isn't always a bad thing, but the ability to create similarities simply doesn't exist. Let me next say I am not suggesting a Railroading system. I'm simply suggesting re-grouping and re-working along with additional Culture mechanics that could be implemented into the game to create a more enjoyable experience that better reflects the time period.
Culture Groups - Penalties
Culture groups are a really fantastic idea which I feel have a very poor implementation in CK2. When a province with the same culture group is controlled by another group within the culture, 1% revolt risk is received. If it is controlled by another culture group, 2% revolt risk is received. This gives very little encouragement to prefer/not worry about provinces within one's culture group. To give an example, while a Pomeranian may be upset that a Polish leader rules their land, wouldn't they be more upset if a German ruled their land? Additionally, wouldn't they be less upset if they were ruled by a Polish count? Or a Pomeranian count? With a Bohemian duke under a German king?
Here is a table that reflects the culture of the various levels of ruler and the impact on revolt risk that occurs if they are of the Same Culture, Same Sub-Group (I'll explain that in a bit), Same Group, or Different Group.
Below are a few calculation to give some idea of the increased revolt risk:
All Greek Count/Duke/Emperors controlling a Serbian province:
12% - 5% Count + 4% Duke + 3% Emperor
All Greek Duke(Titleholder)/Emperor controlling a Serbian province:
8% - 5% Duke(Titleholder) + 3% Emperor
What about if the ERE were to put Serbian Dukes and Counts on a Serbian province:
0% - -2% Count + -1% Duke + 3% Emperor
And a Croatian Duke and Serbian Count:
2% - -2% Count + 1% Duke + 3% Emperor
What does this do for the gameplay though? Well first off, higher cultural revolt risks should increase the stack size that spawns as a revolt in the province. Additionally, it makes it much harder to go and conquer other culture groups without installing most of the rulers as the same culture as the provinces for a while. For example, as can be seen above when an Emperor puts in Dukes and Counts of the same culture as the province there is no revolt risk, while even having just a count there reduces the revolt risk significantly.
But we also don't want to be playing whack-a-peasant, as it get quite tedious and annoying. So after defeating a revolt all provinces with the same culture get "Upset ______ Peasants" modifier, decreasing the revolt risk by 10% but also lowering the tax income and levy size by double the % of the original revolt risk.
This also encourages to have same Group/Sub-Group cultures simply be left alone, as there are no negative modifiers so long as you keep the peasants happy.
After reading all of this, you might be thinking, this is an interesting idea, but what were you saying about Groups and Sub-Groups and all of that?
Culture Groups - Culture Groupings
Yes. The Groups themselves. Right now in game the groups are really weird. We have groups that cover huge, sprawling language families, such as Altaic, which also has small, specific cultures within it, while we also have groups like Central German, which usually ends up including... German. Here comes the idea of the Group/Sub-Group, which I think is self explanatory when viewed below:
Group: Germanic
The Germanic Group is the group for Germanic peoples/languages. Pretty straightforward. This group contains the North, Central, and West Germanic sub-groups.
Sub-Group: North Germanic
Probably the easiest group of the three to start with would be North Germanic in that it contains the same four cultures as currently, along with the same methods for conversion from Norse (be under the correct Kingdom).
Sub-Group: Anglo-Saxon
Alright. Here we go.
Anglo-Saxon has been split up into Northumbrian, which covers Northumbria, Lancaster, and York, Mercian, which is in Mercia, Hwicee, and the north half of Essex, and Anglian, which is in East Anglia, the south half of Essex, Kent, and Wessex. ANY Francian culture (no, not just Norman, otherwise English will never happen) will convert these into English. Any Anglo-Saxon language will convert a Scottish province to Scots.
Sub-Group: Continental Germanic
Alright. Here we go again.
Continental Germanic is a new group made from the fiery ashes of the Central and West Germanic groups in Vanilla. The first three languages on the list, Frankish, Frisian, and Burgundian, are three languages which are designed to disappear.
Frankish occupies parts of Frisia, Germany, Middle Francia, and France (see the 769 map for clarification), and represents where the actual Frankish peoples had settled and where their language was spoken. Important here is to understand the cultural diffusion: Anything WEST of the Rhine becomes Lorranian, anything in Frisia becomes Dutch, anything else will become Franconian.
Burgundian changes when either adjacent to another Romance province or controlled by Romance leaders. Gallo-Romance leaders and nearby provinces will cause Burgundian to become Bourguignon, while Occitano-Romance leads Burgundian to become Provencal.
Frisian when ruled by another Germanic ruler will become Dutch.
Swabian, Bavarian, and Saxon all start in their respective regions of Southern Germany/West Bavaria, East Bavaria, and Saxony, respectively.
Lorranian, Franconian, and Dutch all form out of Frankish (and Frisian for Dutch).
Pomeranian and Prussian form out of Germanic control of the respective Balto-Slavic provinces.
Regarding conversion, Lorranian becomes Rhinelander, Franconian becomes Hessian(maybe Hannoverian?), Swabian becomes Bavarian, and Bavarian becomes Austrian.
Group: Romance
The Romance group is for the 4 subdivisions of Romance languages; Gallo, Occitano, Italo, and Ibero.
Sub-Group: Iberian
Right now I'm grouping the Romance languages by actual groupings and not location. Basque is added to Iberian to avoid Isolate issues.
Iberian replaces Visigothic as Iberian Vulgar Latin. This language is set to split very quickly, with some based on Religion and some based on location. In the north, de jure Galicia and Portugal provinces will flip to Galician, and de jure Leon and Castille provinces will flip when ruled by a Christian. Iberian provinces ruled by a Muslim will first flip to Mozarabic and progressively Andalusian, which has been moved to Arabic. Mozarabic is also formed by an Ibero-Romance leader controlling an Andalusian province. As for Portuguese, that is formed by a Galician ruler controlling a Mozarabic province.
Sub-Group: Occitano-Romance
Occitano-Romance is the language most closely related to Latin, with the least Celtic, Arab, and German influence out of all the languages, hence why the initial language is Latin for this group.
Aragon and Aquitaine start as Latin, but quickly change. Latin quickly flips to Occitan and Catalan in Aquitaine and Aragon, respectively. Gascon is formed in Basque provinces controlled by Occitano-Romance rulers, while Provencal is formed in Burgundian or Borgugonian provinces controlled by Occitano-Romance rulers.
Sub-Group: Gallo-Romance
Gallo-Romance are the O'il langauges, most often associated with French.
O'il is the replacement for the Vulgar Latin speaking section of northwest Francia. When ruled by a continental Germanic, O'il becomes Cosmopolatine, while it becomes Norman when ruled by, or after a MTTH during a siege of (proportionate by the size of the raiders) a province by Northern Germanics. Provencal or Burgundian provinces controlled by a Gallo-Romance leader become Borgugornian, while Lorranian or Dutch provinces controlled by a Gallo-Romance leader become Wallonian.
Sub-Group: Italo-Dalmatian
Splitting up Italian and making Italy more fragmented! Yay!
This is a duchy based cultural breakup. All of Italy starts as Italo-Romance, and Dalmatia as Dalmatian. By this time the Lombard rulers were already speaking Vulgar Latin. Carthinia, Venice, and Verona become Venetian, everything else in north Italy becomes Lombard. South Italy north of Latium becomes Tuscan, along with Sardinia, while the area around Latium becomes Umbrian. North Sicily becomes Neapolitan, and south Sicily becomes Dalmatian. South Slavic provences controlled by an Italo-Dalmatian ruler become Romanian.
Group: Celtic
Celtic with the iffy Pictish and small swaths of land. Enjoy. Sub-Groupings may not be necessary.
Sub-Group: Gaelic
Northern Celtic which originates from Ireland.
Ireland is Irish, Mann is Manx. Scottish works the same as now but Manx works too. Yay.
Sub-Group: Brittonic
Southern Celtic which originates from Britain.
Scotland (Pictland) starts Pictish. Cornwall is Cornish. Wales is Welsh. Brittany is Breton.
Shocking and exciting changes for Celtic, I know.
Group: Byzantine
This one is more of a marriage of regional Cultures as opposed to language groupings.
Sub-Group: Greek
Greek is split up into Dialects. Probably one of the less historically accurate ones if anyone wants to help with that.
Greek has been split into a mess of dialects that I'm afraid to mess with more, if anyone with more knowledge of this has any suggestions please share them. Right now Koine is Dirrachion, Thessalonika, Epiru, Thrace, and Adrianopolis. Ionian is in Athens, Achiaia, the Agean Islands, and Crete. Demotic is in Nikea, the north half of the Agean Islands, Samos, Cibyrrhaeot, and Thraceisa. Trezbonid, Armeniacon, and Paphlagonia are Pontic. Charsilagon, Cyprus, Cillicia, and Anatolia are Cappadocian. Greek Sicily is Doric.
Again, help with this would be appreciated since technically everything should start Koine but then too much becomes Demotic for very little reason.
Sub-Group: Caucasian
I dare you to look at the modern language map of the Caucasus. I DARE YOU. Just the other three languages that tend to die under Byzantium.
There are the same. It's nice. Not the confusion of Greek.
Gothic was added per suggestion, would be in the Duchy of Cherson.
Dagestani was also added per suggestion on the west border of the Caspian Sea. Circassian is the Northwestern Caucases.
Sub-Group: Mediterranean
I had to put Coptic on here.
Unsure of what to call the last two, the three are Greek-influenced languages in their respective Kingdoms (Jerusalem, Syria, Egypt) that change when Arabs control them.
Group: Balto-Slavic
Get excited. East Slavic is the only interesting one.
Sub-Group: South Slavic
Added Macedonian which can also be removed, questioning to add Albanian but its insignificance is making me question this.
Pretty much the same, Macedonian is created when Bulgarians control Greek provinces.
Sub-Group: West Slavic
Can you feel me avoiding it? CAN YOU?
Sorbian is in Meissen/Brandenburg/Mecklenburg. It and Old Pomeranian flip to Pomeranian when controlled by a Central German. Silesian is when Bohemian province is controlled by a Polish leader and vice-versa. Also starts out in the duchy of Silesia. The rest is the same.
Sub-Group: East Slavic
Can you feel me avoiding it? I'm leaving the tribal East Slavic cultures in for now since I have no clue how to deal with them other than making them all into a blob that splits into other Languages.
Rather than with German influence, Russian forms under a unified Rus, and Ruthenian under a unified Ruthenia. If anyone wants to argue you're welcome to.
Additional tribal cultures added per the image below.
Sub-Group: Baltic
The last piece of the Balto-Slavic group. Or is it the first? I'm not sure.
Same as before because of province density.
Group: Uralic
Basically Samoyed gets excluded without this. Replacement name for Finno-Urgic.
Sub-Group: Finnic
Finland!
Sub-Group: Samoyedic
Sub-Group: Magyar
Sub-Group: Ugric
More-Not-Finland! (It's not really Urgic but there's no better name.)
This group is missing a lot of cultures that would otherwise exist due to province density in the area.
Group: Altaic
Yeah. I've been writing this post for a long time. If you're still reading this I appreciate it, we're almost done.
Sub-Group: Mongolic
Hordes.
Sub-Group: Oghur
It's a thing for real this time. None of that Uralic stuff.
If it's never needed Hunnic can go here, or for the history files to make things interesting.
Sub-Group: Oghuz
This one should look familiar.
Azerbijani and Ottoman are formed in Georgia/Alania/Armenia and Anatolia/Greece, respectively, when there are Turkish things there.
Sub-Group: Kipchack
I'm not making this up.
Karluk doesn't belong here but better here than anywhere else.
The whole Altaic section should be looked at for the converter fyi, Orghuz is not all Turkic languages.
Group: Afro-Asiatic
This may be split in two in the future.
Sub-Group: Arabic
The Fertile Crescent.
This one is pretty straight forward, the last two are still for courtiers. Levantine is now more widespread and occurs when Bedouins control Palestinian/Syrian territory it becomes Levantine, Aramaic can become Mashriqi or Levantine depending on where it is. Coptic becomes Egyptian. Berber languages can become African.
Sub-Group: Hebrew
I have a bias towards these cultures
More flavor for Courtiers.
Sub-Group: Cushitic
Ethiopia. A re-named East African.
Sub-Group: Berber
Starting culture for North Africa
Another of where if you know better please share.
Group: Indo-Iranian
This may be split in two in the future.
Sub-Group: Iranian
This is messy and a work in progress.
Right now I only have the Iranian sub-group, but I think it's pretty well described, feel free to post more questions/comments about this one.
That's actually it for now. I'll probably make updates as I get more information and suggestions, but yeah.
For those of you wondering what happened to Persia and the two Indian groups, I may group Iranian and Indo-Aryan into Indo-Iranian. As for Dravidian and Mande they can have a conversation with me when they want to start being in one of the European language families. (I kid, I'm just unsure of how to deal with them, all suggestions are appreciated).
Below is are modified culture maps for 769, 867, 1066, 1220, and 1337. Descriptions for changes on each will come soon. Please remember that I haven't yet looked at Indo-Iranian groups.
A summary of the map:
France is now Gallo-Romance rather than Frankish.
Occitain & Barcelona are Latin rather than Visigothic
Iberia is Ibero-Romance rather than Subei or Visigothic
Burgundy is Old Burgundian
Italy is Italo-Romance rather than Lombard
Franconia has become Frankish
Alemmania and Tyrol and Baden are Swabian
The rest of Bavaria is Bavarian
Sicily, Greece, and Anatolia are split between the Greek Dialects
Crimea is Gothic
Mesopotamia/Syria is Arameic
Syria is Syrian
Jerusalem is Palestinian
Egypt is Coptic
The African states are their respective African languages
Arabia is split into Hedjazi, Nadjizi, and Omani
Persia is split into Coastal, West, and East
West Pommerania is Sorbian
Silesia is Silesan
England is split up into its respective Proto-English languages
Please share any questions/comments regarding culture. I know that some of this is probably wrong so PLEASE tell me so! Thank you
For those of you who have seen me post before, many of you know I'm a big supporter of an overhaul of the cultural system that currently exists in Crusader Kings II. One of my biggest issues is simply that there is no way to get an ending culture map of CK2 which looks anything like that of EU4, which isn't always a bad thing, but the ability to create similarities simply doesn't exist. Let me next say I am not suggesting a Railroading system. I'm simply suggesting re-grouping and re-working along with additional Culture mechanics that could be implemented into the game to create a more enjoyable experience that better reflects the time period.
Culture Groups - Penalties
Culture groups are a really fantastic idea which I feel have a very poor implementation in CK2. When a province with the same culture group is controlled by another group within the culture, 1% revolt risk is received. If it is controlled by another culture group, 2% revolt risk is received. This gives very little encouragement to prefer/not worry about provinces within one's culture group. To give an example, while a Pomeranian may be upset that a Polish leader rules their land, wouldn't they be more upset if a German ruled their land? Additionally, wouldn't they be less upset if they were ruled by a Polish count? Or a Pomeranian count? With a Bohemian duke under a German king?
Here is a table that reflects the culture of the various levels of ruler and the impact on revolt risk that occurs if they are of the Same Culture, Same Sub-Group (I'll explain that in a bit), Same Group, or Different Group.
Below are a few calculation to give some idea of the increased revolt risk:
All Greek Count/Duke/Emperors controlling a Serbian province:
12% - 5% Count + 4% Duke + 3% Emperor
All Greek Duke(Titleholder)/Emperor controlling a Serbian province:
8% - 5% Duke(Titleholder) + 3% Emperor
What about if the ERE were to put Serbian Dukes and Counts on a Serbian province:
0% - -2% Count + -1% Duke + 3% Emperor
And a Croatian Duke and Serbian Count:
2% - -2% Count + 1% Duke + 3% Emperor
What does this do for the gameplay though? Well first off, higher cultural revolt risks should increase the stack size that spawns as a revolt in the province. Additionally, it makes it much harder to go and conquer other culture groups without installing most of the rulers as the same culture as the provinces for a while. For example, as can be seen above when an Emperor puts in Dukes and Counts of the same culture as the province there is no revolt risk, while even having just a count there reduces the revolt risk significantly.
But we also don't want to be playing whack-a-peasant, as it get quite tedious and annoying. So after defeating a revolt all provinces with the same culture get "Upset ______ Peasants" modifier, decreasing the revolt risk by 10% but also lowering the tax income and levy size by double the % of the original revolt risk.
This also encourages to have same Group/Sub-Group cultures simply be left alone, as there are no negative modifiers so long as you keep the peasants happy.
After reading all of this, you might be thinking, this is an interesting idea, but what were you saying about Groups and Sub-Groups and all of that?
Culture Groups - Culture Groupings
Yes. The Groups themselves. Right now in game the groups are really weird. We have groups that cover huge, sprawling language families, such as Altaic, which also has small, specific cultures within it, while we also have groups like Central German, which usually ends up including... German. Here comes the idea of the Group/Sub-Group, which I think is self explanatory when viewed below:
Group: Germanic
The Germanic Group is the group for Germanic peoples/languages. Pretty straightforward. This group contains the North, Central, and West Germanic sub-groups.
Sub-Group: North Germanic
Probably the easiest group of the three to start with would be North Germanic in that it contains the same four cultures as currently, along with the same methods for conversion from Norse (be under the correct Kingdom).
- Norse
- Norwegian
- Swedish
- Danish
Sub-Group: Anglo-Saxon
Alright. Here we go.
- Northumbrian
- Mercian
- Anglian
- English
- Scots
Anglo-Saxon has been split up into Northumbrian, which covers Northumbria, Lancaster, and York, Mercian, which is in Mercia, Hwicee, and the north half of Essex, and Anglian, which is in East Anglia, the south half of Essex, Kent, and Wessex. ANY Francian culture (no, not just Norman, otherwise English will never happen) will convert these into English. Any Anglo-Saxon language will convert a Scottish province to Scots.
Sub-Group: Continental Germanic
Alright. Here we go again.
- Frankish
- Burgundian
- Frisian
- Saxon
- Swabian
- Bavarian
- Dutch
- Franconian
- Lorranian
- Pomeranian
- Prussian
Continental Germanic is a new group made from the fiery ashes of the Central and West Germanic groups in Vanilla. The first three languages on the list, Frankish, Frisian, and Burgundian, are three languages which are designed to disappear.
Frankish occupies parts of Frisia, Germany, Middle Francia, and France (see the 769 map for clarification), and represents where the actual Frankish peoples had settled and where their language was spoken. Important here is to understand the cultural diffusion: Anything WEST of the Rhine becomes Lorranian, anything in Frisia becomes Dutch, anything else will become Franconian.
Burgundian changes when either adjacent to another Romance province or controlled by Romance leaders. Gallo-Romance leaders and nearby provinces will cause Burgundian to become Bourguignon, while Occitano-Romance leads Burgundian to become Provencal.
Frisian when ruled by another Germanic ruler will become Dutch.
Swabian, Bavarian, and Saxon all start in their respective regions of Southern Germany/West Bavaria, East Bavaria, and Saxony, respectively.
Lorranian, Franconian, and Dutch all form out of Frankish (and Frisian for Dutch).
Pomeranian and Prussian form out of Germanic control of the respective Balto-Slavic provinces.
Regarding conversion, Lorranian becomes Rhinelander, Franconian becomes Hessian(maybe Hannoverian?), Swabian becomes Bavarian, and Bavarian becomes Austrian.
Group: Romance
The Romance group is for the 4 subdivisions of Romance languages; Gallo, Occitano, Italo, and Ibero.
Sub-Group: Iberian
Right now I'm grouping the Romance languages by actual groupings and not location. Basque is added to Iberian to avoid Isolate issues.
- Iberian
- Galician
- Leonese
- Castillian
- Mozarabic
- Portuguese
- Basque (Reluctantly for continuity and the general avoidance of Isolates)
Iberian replaces Visigothic as Iberian Vulgar Latin. This language is set to split very quickly, with some based on Religion and some based on location. In the north, de jure Galicia and Portugal provinces will flip to Galician, and de jure Leon and Castille provinces will flip when ruled by a Christian. Iberian provinces ruled by a Muslim will first flip to Mozarabic and progressively Andalusian, which has been moved to Arabic. Mozarabic is also formed by an Ibero-Romance leader controlling an Andalusian province. As for Portuguese, that is formed by a Galician ruler controlling a Mozarabic province.
Sub-Group: Occitano-Romance
Occitano-Romance is the language most closely related to Latin, with the least Celtic, Arab, and German influence out of all the languages, hence why the initial language is Latin for this group.
- Latin
- Occitan
- Catalan
- Gascon
- Provencal
Aragon and Aquitaine start as Latin, but quickly change. Latin quickly flips to Occitan and Catalan in Aquitaine and Aragon, respectively. Gascon is formed in Basque provinces controlled by Occitano-Romance rulers, while Provencal is formed in Burgundian or Borgugonian provinces controlled by Occitano-Romance rulers.
Sub-Group: Gallo-Romance
Gallo-Romance are the O'il langauges, most often associated with French.
- O'il
- Cosmopolatine
- Bourguignon
- Norman
- Wallonian
O'il is the replacement for the Vulgar Latin speaking section of northwest Francia. When ruled by a continental Germanic, O'il becomes Cosmopolatine, while it becomes Norman when ruled by, or after a MTTH during a siege of (proportionate by the size of the raiders) a province by Northern Germanics. Provencal or Burgundian provinces controlled by a Gallo-Romance leader become Borgugornian, while Lorranian or Dutch provinces controlled by a Gallo-Romance leader become Wallonian.
Sub-Group: Italo-Dalmatian
Splitting up Italian and making Italy more fragmented! Yay!
- Italo-Romance
- Lombard
- Venetian
- Tuscan
- Umbrian
- Neapolitan
- Sicilian
- Dalmatian
- Romanian
This is a duchy based cultural breakup. All of Italy starts as Italo-Romance, and Dalmatia as Dalmatian. By this time the Lombard rulers were already speaking Vulgar Latin. Carthinia, Venice, and Verona become Venetian, everything else in north Italy becomes Lombard. South Italy north of Latium becomes Tuscan, along with Sardinia, while the area around Latium becomes Umbrian. North Sicily becomes Neapolitan, and south Sicily becomes Dalmatian. South Slavic provences controlled by an Italo-Dalmatian ruler become Romanian.
Group: Celtic
Celtic with the iffy Pictish and small swaths of land. Enjoy. Sub-Groupings may not be necessary.
Sub-Group: Gaelic
Northern Celtic which originates from Ireland.
- Irish
- Scottish
- Manx (Because why not?)
Ireland is Irish, Mann is Manx. Scottish works the same as now but Manx works too. Yay.
Sub-Group: Brittonic
Southern Celtic which originates from Britain.
- Breton
- Welsh
- Cornish (Again, why not?)
- Pictish (This is iffy because while it is more than the others considered Brittonic Celtic, it's also be called Gaelic Celtic, Germanic, and an Isolate. Yay.)
Scotland (Pictland) starts Pictish. Cornwall is Cornish. Wales is Welsh. Brittany is Breton.
Shocking and exciting changes for Celtic, I know.
Group: Byzantine
This one is more of a marriage of regional Cultures as opposed to language groupings.
Sub-Group: Greek
Greek is split up into Dialects. Probably one of the less historically accurate ones if anyone wants to help with that.
- Ionian
- Demotic
- Pontic
- Cappadocian
- Koine
- Doric
Greek has been split into a mess of dialects that I'm afraid to mess with more, if anyone with more knowledge of this has any suggestions please share them. Right now Koine is Dirrachion, Thessalonika, Epiru, Thrace, and Adrianopolis. Ionian is in Athens, Achiaia, the Agean Islands, and Crete. Demotic is in Nikea, the north half of the Agean Islands, Samos, Cibyrrhaeot, and Thraceisa. Trezbonid, Armeniacon, and Paphlagonia are Pontic. Charsilagon, Cyprus, Cillicia, and Anatolia are Cappadocian. Greek Sicily is Doric.
Again, help with this would be appreciated since technically everything should start Koine but then too much becomes Demotic for very little reason.
Sub-Group: Caucasian
I dare you to look at the modern language map of the Caucasus. I DARE YOU. Just the other three languages that tend to die under Byzantium.
- Alan
- Armenian
- Georgian
- Gothic
- Dagestani
- Circassian
There are the same. It's nice. Not the confusion of Greek.
Gothic was added per suggestion, would be in the Duchy of Cherson.
Dagestani was also added per suggestion on the west border of the Caspian Sea. Circassian is the Northwestern Caucases.
Sub-Group: Mediterranean
I had to put Coptic on here.
- Coptic
- Syrian
- Palestinian
Unsure of what to call the last two, the three are Greek-influenced languages in their respective Kingdoms (Jerusalem, Syria, Egypt) that change when Arabs control them.
Group: Balto-Slavic
Get excited. East Slavic is the only interesting one.
Sub-Group: South Slavic
Added Macedonian which can also be removed, questioning to add Albanian but its insignificance is making me question this.
- Vlach
- Macedonian
- Bulgarian
- Serbian
- Croatian
Pretty much the same, Macedonian is created when Bulgarians control Greek provinces.
Sub-Group: West Slavic
Can you feel me avoiding it? CAN YOU?
- Sorbian
- Old Pomeranian
- Bohemian
- Polish (Should this be split into Pole and Mazovian, while Polish is formed under the Kingdom of Poland?)
- Silesian
Sorbian is in Meissen/Brandenburg/Mecklenburg. It and Old Pomeranian flip to Pomeranian when controlled by a Central German. Silesian is when Bohemian province is controlled by a Polish leader and vice-versa. Also starts out in the duchy of Silesia. The rest is the same.
Sub-Group: East Slavic
Can you feel me avoiding it? I'm leaving the tribal East Slavic cultures in for now since I have no clue how to deal with them other than making them all into a blob that splits into other Languages.
- Ilmenian
- Severian
- Volhynian
- Krivichs
- Vyatlchs
- Dregovichs
- Radimichs
- Drevylanianas
- Polyanians
- Ulichs
- Tiverians
- Ruthenian
- Russian
Rather than with German influence, Russian forms under a unified Rus, and Ruthenian under a unified Ruthenia. If anyone wants to argue you're welcome to.
Additional tribal cultures added per the image below.
Sub-Group: Baltic
The last piece of the Balto-Slavic group. Or is it the first? I'm not sure.
- Old Prussian
- Lithuanian
- Lettigallian
Same as before because of province density.
Group: Uralic
Basically Samoyed gets excluded without this. Replacement name for Finno-Urgic.
Sub-Group: Finnic
Finland!
- Finnish
- Estonian
- Lappish
Sub-Group: Samoyedic
- Samoyed
Sub-Group: Magyar
- Hungarian
Sub-Group: Ugric
More-Not-Finland! (It's not really Urgic but there's no better name.)
- Mordvin
- Khanti
- Komi
This group is missing a lot of cultures that would otherwise exist due to province density in the area.
Group: Altaic
Yeah. I've been writing this post for a long time. If you're still reading this I appreciate it, we're almost done.
Sub-Group: Mongolic
Hordes.
- Mongol
Sub-Group: Oghur
It's a thing for real this time. None of that Uralic stuff.
- Avar
- Khazar
- Bolghar
If it's never needed Hunnic can go here, or for the history files to make things interesting.
Sub-Group: Oghuz
This one should look familiar.
- Azerbijani
- Pecheneg
- Turkish
- Ottoman
Azerbijani and Ottoman are formed in Georgia/Alania/Armenia and Anatolia/Greece, respectively, when there are Turkish things there.
Sub-Group: Kipchack
I'm not making this up.
- Karluk
- Cuman
- Kirghiz
Karluk doesn't belong here but better here than anywhere else.
The whole Altaic section should be looked at for the converter fyi, Orghuz is not all Turkic languages.
Group: Afro-Asiatic
This may be split in two in the future.
Sub-Group: Arabic
The Fertile Crescent.
- Levantine
- Mashriqi
- Aramaic
- Najidi (Renamed Bedouin, as this is a language, not a peoples)
- Hijazi
- Omani
- Egyptian
- African
This one is pretty straight forward, the last two are still for courtiers. Levantine is now more widespread and occurs when Bedouins control Palestinian/Syrian territory it becomes Levantine, Aramaic can become Mashriqi or Levantine depending on where it is. Coptic becomes Egyptian. Berber languages can become African.
Sub-Group: Hebrew
I have a bias towards these cultures
- Ashkenazi
- Sephardi
- Karaite
More flavor for Courtiers.
Sub-Group: Cushitic
Ethiopia. A re-named East African.
- Ethiopian
- Nubian
- Somali (Technically a Semitic language, please offer your thoughts below)
Sub-Group: Berber
Starting culture for North Africa
- Tuareg (Tunisia/Algeria)
- Atlas (Morocco)
- Nafusi (Libya)
- Mande (Should this be here to make the Mali more playable?)
Another of where if you know better please share.
Group: Indo-Iranian
This may be split in two in the future.
Sub-Group: Iranian
This is messy and a work in progress.
- Balochi
- Mazanderani (South Border of the Caspian Sea)
- Pashto (Name of the Afghan language)
- Farsi (Western Persian)
- Avestan (North/Eastern Persian, Language of the Zoroastrian Scriptures)
- Kurdish
Right now I only have the Iranian sub-group, but I think it's pretty well described, feel free to post more questions/comments about this one.
That's actually it for now. I'll probably make updates as I get more information and suggestions, but yeah.
For those of you wondering what happened to Persia and the two Indian groups, I may group Iranian and Indo-Aryan into Indo-Iranian. As for Dravidian and Mande they can have a conversation with me when they want to start being in one of the European language families. (I kid, I'm just unsure of how to deal with them, all suggestions are appreciated).
Below is are modified culture maps for 769, 867, 1066, 1220, and 1337. Descriptions for changes on each will come soon. Please remember that I haven't yet looked at Indo-Iranian groups.
A summary of the map:
France is now Gallo-Romance rather than Frankish.
Occitain & Barcelona are Latin rather than Visigothic
Iberia is Ibero-Romance rather than Subei or Visigothic
Burgundy is Old Burgundian
Italy is Italo-Romance rather than Lombard
Franconia has become Frankish
Alemmania and Tyrol and Baden are Swabian
The rest of Bavaria is Bavarian
Sicily, Greece, and Anatolia are split between the Greek Dialects
Crimea is Gothic
Mesopotamia/Syria is Arameic
Syria is Syrian
Jerusalem is Palestinian
Egypt is Coptic
The African states are their respective African languages
Arabia is split into Hedjazi, Nadjizi, and Omani
Persia is split into Coastal, West, and East
West Pommerania is Sorbian
Silesia is Silesan
England is split up into its respective Proto-English languages
Please share any questions/comments regarding culture. I know that some of this is probably wrong so PLEASE tell me so! Thank you
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