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if you play the grand campaign will the states slowly leave the union and join the confederacy or will the entire country just break away all at once?
I hope it starts in January or February 1861, after the deep South seceeds. That way a US player who plays perfectly would have the chance to keep Tennessee, Virginia, and North Carolina in the Union, while a CS player who plays perfectly would have a chance at the above plus Maryland, Kentucky and Missouri leaving with the full support of their populations (i.e., not governments-in-exile as Missouri and Kentucky had).
For example, the US player would have to weigh the benefits of the call for volunteers versus the impact on public opinion in the upper South. The Southern player would have to weigh the benefits of establishing a strong forward defensive line in "neutral" Kentucky against the reaction of Kentuckians to the "invasion." (If I play the CSA, I'm going to USE the line if I go through the trouble of establishing it, unlike AS Johnston). And before that, each side would have to tread carefully around Ft. Sumter.
For example, the US player would have to weigh the benefits of the call for volunteers versus the impact on public opinion in the upper South. The Southern player would have to weigh the benefits of establishing a strong forward defensive line in "neutral" Kentucky against the reaction of Kentuckians to the "invasion." (If I play the CSA, I'm going to USE the line if I go through the trouble of establishing it, unlike AS Johnston). And before that, each side would have to tread carefully around Ft. Sumter.
Yes, you can play them, but if you do you should be shot for treason, you dirty Rebel sympathizer.
Crush the insurrection!
Crush the insurrection!
yes, the call to arms was dramatical for the Federals.
the attack on Fort Sumter was a mistake, playing into Lincolns cards,
And yet, there are still no CSA Avatars for my little, ol' self. Y'all would think that with all the discussion there would now be a little, ol' flag for little, ol' me. 
The HoI avatars came out just after the game went gold IIRC, so you might not have long to wait
Though Paradox might not allow the Stars and Bars, but who knows how politically correct they are.
There isn't any law against the viewing of it anywhere like the Swastika, so I really doubt it.Originally posted by KwangTiger
Though Paradox might not allow the Stars and Bars, but who knows how politically correct they are.
Actually, if you really want to get fancy, you have several trigger points for the civil war including
Pretty much any of those could have sparked a succession crisis.
- Entry into the War of 1812 [OK, it doesn't go back that far, but still]
- The Nullification Crisis of 1832-3
- The [alternate] Dred Scott ruling of 1846
- The [alternate] Republican victory in the Presidential Elections of 1856
- Lincoln's election in 1860
Pretty much any of those could have sparked a succession crisis.
If the Soviet and Red Chiese flags are in HOI
and the Crutch Cross was allowed...
the Confederate flag should be fine
and the Crutch Cross was allowed...
the Confederate flag should be fine
Well, it ain't gotta be the Dixie battle flag. We all would be proud to display the Stainless Banner or the Stars and Bars instead. There was also a 3rd CSA national flag that was issued, actually a modification of the Stainless Banner, which would be quite acceptable. I would personally prefer one of the national flags. While the battle flag is the one most folks believe to be the CSA national flag, this just was not the case, as I'm quite sure most of you already know.
Originally posted by RELee
Well, it ain't gotta be the Dixie battle flag. We all would be proud to display the Stainless Banner or the Stars and Bars instead. There was also a 3rd CSA national flag that was issued, actually a modification of the Stainless Banner, which would be quite acceptable. I would personally prefer one of the national flags. While the battle flag is the one most folks believe to be the CSA national flag, this just was not the case, as I'm quite sure most of you already know.
Stainless Banner
I know what the Battle Flag and the Stars and Bars look like, but that?
Originally posted by Timothy Ortiz
Stainless Banner
I know what the Battle Flag and the Stars and Bars look like, but that?
Look here.
Originally posted by Patric
You can start as CSA in one of the scenarios...
I tried to keep this out and make Vicky 100% secessionist-free, but I got overruled.
Die Reb! Die!
That'll be the day.
<LOL>But seriously, it would seem to me that a historical ACW scenario would have to begin after succession. Modeling it into the Grand Campaign would be frustrating for those of us who would want it to happen, because I would expect them to model events so that the possibility exists for no succession. Right? Then if it does happen, and you want to play the CSA, you have to save the game, exit, and restart as CSA. Bah!
Just give me the 1861 scenario and let me concentrate on surviving the Yanks. I would be happy with that.
Oh! I just thought. You Yanks would want your chance again. Well, then I guess having the CSA form up in the GC would make y'all happy after all. I'm cool with that!
But, judging from the amount of ... uh ... discussion about historical play in the HOI forum, y'all will never be happy with it in the GC.
And it weren't no insurrection! Weren't no Civil War neither. 'Twere the 2nd American Revolution! It's all in how you approach it.
Just my 2 cents worth.
"Fondly do we hope, fervently do we pray, that this mighty scourge of war may speedily pass away. Yet, if God wills that it continue until all the wealth piled by the bondsman's two hundred and fifty years of unrequited toil shall be sunk, and until every drop of blood drawn with the lash shall be paid by another drawn with the sword, as was said three thousand years ago, so still it must be said "the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether."Originally posted by RELee
And it weren't no insurrection! Weren't no Civil War neither. 'Twere the 2nd American Revolution! It's all in how you approach it.
Just my 2 cents worth.
*sticks RELee with a sword*
The Union forever!
*slowly backs out of this thread, as it is a horrible temptation to go OT*
back on topic = does the confederate scenario start before the war starts (f.e. Lincoln is elected) or with the nations at war?:wacko: