Cry for annoying adventurers

[Unready]

I has already said it but cry again.
I'm tired of adventurer which armies helplessly stays on provinces which I try to siege.
I carefully plan a company for a war.
But when I moved 30k stack to target of my war what I see?
An adventurer with 100 men band, small count, vassal of vassal of my vassal, idle raiding on my target.
He doesn't move at all so I can't be a leader of siege so my stack useless melting on attrition while whole army waits for he plunder whole province. And only after all holding will be raze, he can move to allow me take the province.

Also I have seen a case when raid was so long so looted castle returns its normal status back just to be razed again on second circle.

Why I saying all of this. Just to ask developers to make small amendment in game rules. Let non-hostile adventurers yield leadership of siege to normal armies.

Same example for loose retinues vassal units who just stay on province and do nothing. Let vassal at least who does wage war now yield leadership to their liege armies on this province.

Very annoying. :-/

 

[DreadLindwyrm]

Add some troops to his siege. He'll win and move off elsewhere.

Just don't add so much that your stack starts to take attrition.

Anything that a vassal sieges should count in your war score (at least as far as I'm aware).

 

[Bernard95]

Adventurers are going to be one of the toggleable options in the upcoming patch, so you only have to deal with them just a little while longer.

 

[kmh42]

I will add this to the list

 

[Unready]

Add some troops to his siege. He'll win and move off elsewhere.
Just don't add so much that your stack starts to take attrition.
Anything that a vassal sieges should count in your war score (at least as far as I'm aware).

You don't understand - he doesn't siege province he loot it, and after the siege of one holding it doesn't became captured only razed.
Then next holding, then next one. And if it is happened too long first holding can return to normal status and will be razed again in circle.
And warscore counting down because target is not captured.

 

[DreadLindwyrm]

You don't understand - he doesn't siege province he loot it, and after the siege of one holding it doesn't became captured only razed.
Then next holding, then next one. And if it is happened too long first holding can return to normal status and will be razed again in circle.
And warscore counting down because target is not captured.

OK... So when he loots the place (or even razes it) he should move on, and I'm fairly sure your army being there speeds that up. Then you can siege the province.

Either that or your game is doing something I've never run into...

 

[Unready]

OK... So when he loots the place (or even razes it) he should move on, and I'm fairly sure your army being there speeds that up. Then you can siege the province.
Either that or your game is doing something I've never run into...

Yea, of course he should move on when whole province will be looted. And he usually does so.
And my army speeds this process because without it he would never loot even first fort.
Usually we talking about 100-200-400 men in looting unit under one small count.
But it happened in two or three or even more years.
Where I plan to siege and win a war in months.
And I can't DOW him or make him hostile because he from my own realm.
And I can't easily revoke his title because he is vassal of vassal of my own vassal.
Also some times there are several raiders stays on one province and don't move even under heavy attrition rate.

 

[Xizzie]

Yea, of course he should move on when whole province will be looted. And he usually does so.
And my army speeds this process because without it he would never loot even first fort.
Usually we talking about 100-200-400 men in looting unit under one small count.
But it happened in two or three or even more years.
Where I plan to siege and win a war in months.
And I can't DOW him or make him hostile because he from my own realm.
And I can't easily revoke his title because he is vassal of vassal of my own vassal.
Also some times there are several raiders stays on one province and don't move even under heavy attrition rate.

This thing has always bugged me as well. Making the armies of another ruler hostile to yours if you are warring for the same objectives could be a good solution to this perhaps? I can't think of any major negative implications for this right now.

 

[DreadLindwyrm]

Yea, of course he should move on when whole province will be looted. And he usually does so.
And my army speeds this process because without it he would never loot even first fort.
Usually we talking about 100-200-400 men in looting unit under one small count.
But it happened in two or three or even more years.
Where I plan to siege and win a war in months.
And I can't DOW him or make him hostile because he from my own realm.
And I can't easily revoke his title because he is vassal of vassal of my own vassal.
Also some times there are several raiders stays on one province and don't move even under heavy attrition rate.

I don't know then.

It's not something I've run into, since I've always had my troops stand alongside their looting army, boost it to the point where it can siege down the holdings, and then they've left, leaving me to siege a massively weakened set of holdings. Alternatively, I smash the enemy army and siege the other provinces he holds - giving me the warscore I need. Admittedly I'm not much of a blitz campaigner, but still.

This thing has always bugged me as well. Making the armies of another ruler hostile to yours if you are warring for the same objectives could be a good solution to this perhaps? I can't think of any major negative implications for this right now.

You can't be hostile to someone in your liege/vassal line without them being independent of you. So being able to turn hostile to your count's army would break this aspect of the game.

 

[Xizzie]

You can't be hostile to someone in your liege/vassal line without them being independent of you. So being able to turn hostile to your count's army would break this aspect of the game.

Sorry if I didn't make myself clear, I meant being hostile to someone who is not in liege/vassal relationship. Like when you holy war someone but they are facing a De Jure DoW for one of the counties in the holy war.

 

[PAnZuRiEL]

How about just not reinforcing the raiders? If they can't actually siege a holding down, they'll move on once the available loot bar runs out.

 

[raven63]

Wouldn't it be better to have a rule where if an army is twice as large as another army, the smaller army yields leadership of the siege to the larger one automatically? In addition to fixing the OP's problem, this will also get rid of situations where a small army can start an assault on the walls using a larger army as cannon fodder.

 

[KelrynGrey]

This thing has always bugged me as well. Making the armies of another ruler hostile to yours if you are warring for the same objectives could be a good solution to this perhaps? I can't think of any major negative implications for this right now.

Clearly you've never been at war with Sicily and had the ERE show up with 30k men to take some distant province.

 

[SchwarzKatze]

How about making warring armies take precedence over raiders when besieging? Or let belligerents among the besiegers take the holding after the raiders looted it?

 

[kmh42]

I suggested in the list:

Raiders block sieges
When a small army of raiders looting a province, a besieging army, even when in much larger numbers, dose help the raiders pillaging and does not occupy the county.
Fix:

• Raiders are hostile against every one
• A bigger army always takes over the lead in the siege and the county get occupied rather than pillaged.

I am welcome for more suggestions

 

[Unready]

I suggested in the list:
I am welcome for more suggestions

Raider hostile against everyone it is not good idea - if they are hostile to you they can loot you.

Please add this suggestions -
-- Army of vassal should yield siege leadership to liege if liege army about to siege same holding except crusader type of war.
Or if vassal army not participant of this war.
(this is for a case when vassal unit of retinue just stays on province and interfering into siege without any other participation in this war)

 

[kmh42]

Raider hostile against everyone it is not good idea - if they are hostile to you they can loot you.

If they wanna loot you they are hostile against you anyway.

Please add this suggestions -
-- Army of vassal should yield siege leadership to liege if liege army about to siege same holding except crusader type of war.
Or if vassal army not participant of this war.
(this is for a case when vassal unit of retinue just stays on province and interfering into siege without any other participation in this war)

I am not aware of this problem. ASAIK when they seize the county it counts to your warscore so actually the help you. Only problem I see is that the get the loot. Do I miss something here?

 

[Unready]

If they wanna loot you they are hostile against you anyway.
I am not aware of this problem. ASAIK when they seize the county it counts to your warscore so actually the help you. Only problem I see is that the get the loot. Do I miss something here?

Yes of course. But if you want to storm the province they still hamper you which is stupid because they are not at war at all and have no own reasons to intervene in your war.

 

[kmh42]

Yes of course. But if you want to storm the province they still hamper you which is stupid because they are not at war at all and have no own reasons to intervene in your war.

Right I will add it in later