Crusades ebbes out - The orders

[johho888]

I'm currently reading a book about the nordic participation in the crusades ("Gud vill det/Deus Vult" by Dick Harryson) and came about a passage where it was described how normally the nobilty did not take part of a crusade to get new land (except some germans in the baltic region) and that most nobles normally returned home at the end of a crusade. The orders where created usually for some other purpose but got used as some sort of "staying power" in the christian conquest. I don't know if mr Harryson is correct here but he is a historian after all.

This isn't how the orders are used in CK and I was wondering if it would be possible to make them more interesting for the game if this "staying power" could be simulated. Could it, for instance, be possible to give the orders "free" (but a lot smaller) armies during crusade-free times in the same way as the mongols get them? Or have some event fire for the orders at the "crusades ebbes out" event? could the orders maybe get some of their neighboring provinces to make them stronger after the crusade?

 

[unmerged(5822)]

I'm currently reading a book about the nordic participation in the crusades ("Gud vill det/Deus Vult" by Dick Harryson) and came about a passage where it was described how normally the nobilty did not take part of a crusade to get new land (except some germans in the baltic region) and that most nobles normally returned home at the end of a crusade. The orders where created usually for some other purpose but got used as some sort of "staying power" in the christian conquest. I don't know if mr Harryson is correct here but he is a historian after all.

This isn't how the orders are used in CK and I was wondering if it would be possible to make them more interesting for the game if this "staying power" could be simulated. Could it, for instance, be possible to give the orders "free" (but a lot smaller) armies during crusade-free times in the same way as the mongols get them? Or have some event fire for the orders at the "crusades ebbes out" event? could the orders maybe get some of their neighboring provinces to make them stronger after the crusade?

They can't get any extra provinces, but it wouldn't be that difficult to make sure that they always get to field a nicely sized army of knights in a war (just block them from receiving normal mercenaries and then have them get one big knight army whenever they are at war and don't have any "mercenaries").

 

[Third Angel]

it wouldn't be that difficult to make sure that they always get to field a nicely sized army of knights in a war (just block them from receiving normal mercenaries and then have them get one big knight army whenever they are at war and don't have any "mercenaries").

Don't know if this is exactly what you have in mind, but there are already such events, id 914, 915, 916 in templar_events.txt.

 

[unmerged(5822)]

Don't know if this is exactly what you have in mind, but there are already such events, id 914, 915, 916 in templar_events.txt.

Pretty much, yes. The units could stand a little beefing, though, and a great mtth reduction if no "mercenary" units are already employed.

 

[unmerged(21937)]

Pretty much, yes. The units could stand a little beefing, though, and a great mtth reduction if no "mercenary" units are already employed.

Will think about it. I don't know if the mercenary condition works as it should. If it doesn't there is a problem, but if it does, it might be all well and good.

 

[Olaus Petrus]

I would be happy to see stronger orders. Even when they currently get troops via events, they have tendency to stay small or be crushed by pagans or muslims.