• We have updated our Community Code of Conduct. Please read through the new rules for the forum that are an integral part of Paradox Interactive’s User Agreement.

Swuul

Zealot Crybaby Troll
161 Badges
Mar 18, 2003
4.725
1.027
  • Majesty 2 Collection
  • Galactic Assault
  • Hearts of Iron III
  • Hearts of Iron III: Their Finest Hour
  • Hearts of Iron III Collection
  • Heir to the Throne
  • Impire
  • Europa Universalis III Complete
  • King Arthur II
  • Knights of Pen and Paper +1 Edition
  • The Kings Crusade
  • Magicka
  • Majesty 2
  • For the Motherland
  • March of the Eagles
  • Europa Universalis III Complete
  • Europa Universalis IV: Res Publica
  • Victoria: Revolutions
  • Europa Universalis: Rome
  • Rome Gold
  • Semper Fi
  • Sengoku
  • Ship Simulator Extremes
  • Sword of the Stars
  • Sword of the Stars II
  • Hearts of Iron IV: No Step Back
  • Crusader Kings II: Sword of Islam
  • Ancient Space
  • Arsenal of Democracy
  • Cities in Motion
  • Cities in Motion 2
  • Crusader Kings II
  • Crusader Kings II: Charlemagne
  • Crusader Kings II: Legacy of Rome
  • Crusader Kings II: The Old Gods
  • Crusader Kings II: Rajas of India
  • Crusader Kings II: The Republic
  • Crusader Kings II: Sons of Abraham
  • Crusader Kings II: Sunset Invasion
  • A Game of Dwarves
  • Darkest Hour
  • Deus Vult
  • East India Company
  • Europa Universalis III
  • Divine Wind
  • Europa Universalis IV
  • Europa Universalis IV: Art of War
  • Europa Universalis IV: Conquest of Paradise
  • Europa Universalis IV: Wealth of Nations
  • Europa Universalis IV: Call to arms event
HALNY (HAL) said:
But sometimes (like big peace or when someone breaking house rules) you have to pause.
No you don't. You need to ask the host to pause.

Big peace = 7 players of 12? That leaves 5 players fuming in frustration. If the peace can't be settled when the game runs, how can it be settled when the game is paused? If you need more time, negotiate it between sessions then. It is very rude against the other people to keep the game paused, after all they have arranged their private lifes so that they can take part in the session, and I believe most people don't do that to watch the game being in pause-mode :mad:

Breaking house-rule? You ask the host/GM to pause because you think there is somebody breaking the rules. The GM then decides wether it is a rule-breaking or not and what is done.
 

HALNY (HAL)

The Polish Lion
7 Badges
Sep 4, 2003
5.264
3
  • Crusader Kings II
  • Europa Universalis III
  • Europa Universalis IV
  • Europa Universalis IV: Conquest of Paradise
  • Europa Universalis IV: Res Publica
  • 500k Club
  • Stellaris
Jarkko Suvinen said:
No you don't. You need to ask the host to pause.

Big peace = 7 players of 12? That leaves 5 players fuming in frustration. If the peace can't be settled when the game runs, how can it be settled when the game is paused? If you need more time, negotiate it between sessions then. It is very rude against the other people to keep the game paused, after all they have arranged their private lifes so that they can take part in the session, and I believe most people don't do that to watch the game being in pause-mode :mad:

Breaking house-rule? You ask the host/GM to pause because you think there is somebody breaking the rules. The GM then decides wether it is a rule-breaking or not and what is done.

Of course I am not pausing myself! I was thinking there is no 'pause' button so even host can't pause. You have to think I am an idiot or noob jurko :) I know such basic rules of MP...
 

Swuul

Zealot Crybaby Troll
161 Badges
Mar 18, 2003
4.725
1.027
  • Majesty 2 Collection
  • Galactic Assault
  • Hearts of Iron III
  • Hearts of Iron III: Their Finest Hour
  • Hearts of Iron III Collection
  • Heir to the Throne
  • Impire
  • Europa Universalis III Complete
  • King Arthur II
  • Knights of Pen and Paper +1 Edition
  • The Kings Crusade
  • Magicka
  • Majesty 2
  • For the Motherland
  • March of the Eagles
  • Europa Universalis III Complete
  • Europa Universalis IV: Res Publica
  • Victoria: Revolutions
  • Europa Universalis: Rome
  • Rome Gold
  • Semper Fi
  • Sengoku
  • Ship Simulator Extremes
  • Sword of the Stars
  • Sword of the Stars II
  • Hearts of Iron IV: No Step Back
  • Crusader Kings II: Sword of Islam
  • Ancient Space
  • Arsenal of Democracy
  • Cities in Motion
  • Cities in Motion 2
  • Crusader Kings II
  • Crusader Kings II: Charlemagne
  • Crusader Kings II: Legacy of Rome
  • Crusader Kings II: The Old Gods
  • Crusader Kings II: Rajas of India
  • Crusader Kings II: The Republic
  • Crusader Kings II: Sons of Abraham
  • Crusader Kings II: Sunset Invasion
  • A Game of Dwarves
  • Darkest Hour
  • Deus Vult
  • East India Company
  • Europa Universalis III
  • Divine Wind
  • Europa Universalis IV
  • Europa Universalis IV: Art of War
  • Europa Universalis IV: Conquest of Paradise
  • Europa Universalis IV: Wealth of Nations
  • Europa Universalis IV: Call to arms event
HALNY (HAL) said:
Of course I am not pausing myself! I was thinking there is no 'pause' button so even host can't pause. You have to think I am an idiot or noob jurko :) I know such basic rules of MP...
Well, you said there are times when "you" have to pause, and you said that as a comment to my comment that only the host should pause :rolleyes:

Ah well, enough of this, let's put this matter on a pause ;)
 

HALNY (HAL)

The Polish Lion
7 Badges
Sep 4, 2003
5.264
3
  • Crusader Kings II
  • Europa Universalis III
  • Europa Universalis IV
  • Europa Universalis IV: Conquest of Paradise
  • Europa Universalis IV: Res Publica
  • 500k Club
  • Stellaris
Jarkko Suvinen said:
Ah well, enough of this, let's put this matter on a pause ;)

ok ;)
 

unmerged(7276)

Field Marshal
Jan 12, 2002
4.989
0
Visit site
Anyway 'I see I have to see' both games in real to decide. Someone know is there are some demos or so?

HAL face it you will buy CK as there is a poland unlike victoria where they dont exist..
 

HALNY (HAL)

The Polish Lion
7 Badges
Sep 4, 2003
5.264
3
  • Crusader Kings II
  • Europa Universalis III
  • Europa Universalis IV
  • Europa Universalis IV: Conquest of Paradise
  • Europa Universalis IV: Res Publica
  • 500k Club
  • Stellaris
cheech said:
HAL face it you will buy CK as there is a poland unlike victoria where they dont exist..

No Poland???!!! Go away 'Vitoria' than! Apage!!!

Now where is nearest shop with CK...
 

HALNY (HAL)

The Polish Lion
7 Badges
Sep 4, 2003
5.264
3
  • Crusader Kings II
  • Europa Universalis III
  • Europa Universalis IV
  • Europa Universalis IV: Conquest of Paradise
  • Europa Universalis IV: Res Publica
  • 500k Club
  • Stellaris
cheech said:
... a poland unlike victoria where they dont exist..

Wait a minute! There is Poland - Republic of Krakow :)
 

Hive

Lex Superior
19 Badges
Oct 16, 2002
12.250
15
  • Heir to the Throne
  • Europa Universalis IV: Pre-order
  • 500k Club
  • Victoria 2: Heart of Darkness
  • Victoria 2: A House Divided
  • Victoria 2
  • Europa Universalis IV: Res Publica
  • Europa Universalis III Complete
  • March of the Eagles
  • Europa Universalis III Complete
  • Hearts of Iron Anthology
  • Europa Universalis IV: Call to arms event
  • Europa Universalis IV: Wealth of Nations
  • Europa Universalis IV: Conquest of Paradise
  • Europa Universalis IV
  • Divine Wind
  • Europa Universalis III Complete
  • Europa Universalis III
  • Crusader Kings II
I disagree with you, Jarkko. If I'm in the middle of a war, and a large event suddenly appears (talking EUII here) - I pause asap. For one thing, you can't talk with an event open, and another thing is that you can lose several large battles in the time it takes to get 'pause-approval'...

I also pause if I suddenly get spammed with 30 attrition boxes, or other stuff like that... but of course, I don't pause to go afk or anything like that.
 

HALNY (HAL)

The Polish Lion
7 Badges
Sep 4, 2003
5.264
3
  • Crusader Kings II
  • Europa Universalis III
  • Europa Universalis IV
  • Europa Universalis IV: Conquest of Paradise
  • Europa Universalis IV: Res Publica
  • 500k Club
  • Stellaris
Hive said:
...which still isn't 'Poland'... ;)

Krakow was capital, so if capital survive, country survive too :D
 

Swuul

Zealot Crybaby Troll
161 Badges
Mar 18, 2003
4.725
1.027
  • Majesty 2 Collection
  • Galactic Assault
  • Hearts of Iron III
  • Hearts of Iron III: Their Finest Hour
  • Hearts of Iron III Collection
  • Heir to the Throne
  • Impire
  • Europa Universalis III Complete
  • King Arthur II
  • Knights of Pen and Paper +1 Edition
  • The Kings Crusade
  • Magicka
  • Majesty 2
  • For the Motherland
  • March of the Eagles
  • Europa Universalis III Complete
  • Europa Universalis IV: Res Publica
  • Victoria: Revolutions
  • Europa Universalis: Rome
  • Rome Gold
  • Semper Fi
  • Sengoku
  • Ship Simulator Extremes
  • Sword of the Stars
  • Sword of the Stars II
  • Hearts of Iron IV: No Step Back
  • Crusader Kings II: Sword of Islam
  • Ancient Space
  • Arsenal of Democracy
  • Cities in Motion
  • Cities in Motion 2
  • Crusader Kings II
  • Crusader Kings II: Charlemagne
  • Crusader Kings II: Legacy of Rome
  • Crusader Kings II: The Old Gods
  • Crusader Kings II: Rajas of India
  • Crusader Kings II: The Republic
  • Crusader Kings II: Sons of Abraham
  • Crusader Kings II: Sunset Invasion
  • A Game of Dwarves
  • Darkest Hour
  • Deus Vult
  • East India Company
  • Europa Universalis III
  • Divine Wind
  • Europa Universalis IV
  • Europa Universalis IV: Art of War
  • Europa Universalis IV: Conquest of Paradise
  • Europa Universalis IV: Wealth of Nations
  • Europa Universalis IV: Call to arms event
Hive said:
I disagree with you, Jarkko.
Well, that is not a suprise. Quite a few people tend to disagree with my draconian zealot points of view. Even though I am correct basically always... very often... sometimes anyway.
 
Aug 1, 2001
2.744
1
Visit site
Despite Jarkko's fantasies, I have played CK enough to know that I dont really want to play it much longer. It is a game I may play SP, but I think will ultimately be unsatisfying. I have played so many video games now that the "ooooh cool" phase drops off pretty fast. CK is, despite the "awe" that affect many of you, a passing novelty. It lacks the staying power of EU2.

1. CK falls victim to the same problem as Civ3 and Vicky; the "game" is micromanagement. Most of your time is spent managing the internal workings of your country. Appointing court members, arranging marriages, managing vassals, and so on. In EU2, this is abstracted away and auto-managed. You get events occasionally, but you are not agonizing over who will run the daily business of Provence. The consequence is that you have more time for other things.

2. Another problem is that the game is very easy (unlike Victoria). The AI is pathetic. And the differences in power between the major nations is imbalanced, so people are playing games as counts/dukes of England or Ireland or Scandinavia or France. So the majority of Europe is just going about its business as stupid AI nations that fall apart.

3. The game has no ROTW. There is no colonial model. This limits so many things that it is scary. The game is set during a period of major imbalance of power (amongst religious groups or between them). This imbalance is even more problematic than in EU2. The result will be not-so-fun MP games once the skill levels advance a notch and the novelty wears off.

4. There is no way to efficient way to raise extra troops. This is the opposite extreme of the problem with huge manpower in EU2. It is going to engender extremely conservative war-fighting. Who wants to risk losing their army when it takes years to regenerate?

5. Technology is taken out of the player's control and advances almost randomly. There can be no competitive drive to achieve better technology.

6. The game is buggy. Buggy to the point of hair pulling. I dont know why Paradox cant release a game with quality controls. Hell, I have a 50-50 chance of crashing every time I surrender to reload (since someone forgot to put a LOAD option on the F10 menu). The load times are insanely long. The save files are enormously cumbersome. All these frustrations accumulate and put people off.


EU2 is elegantly simple and infinitely complex; like Chess.
CK is clumsy, imbalanced, and ultimately unsatisfying

I can see why people think CK is fun. It has novelty value. In a month or two, people will be seeing the truth.
 

Hive

Lex Superior
19 Badges
Oct 16, 2002
12.250
15
  • Heir to the Throne
  • Europa Universalis IV: Pre-order
  • 500k Club
  • Victoria 2: Heart of Darkness
  • Victoria 2: A House Divided
  • Victoria 2
  • Europa Universalis IV: Res Publica
  • Europa Universalis III Complete
  • March of the Eagles
  • Europa Universalis III Complete
  • Hearts of Iron Anthology
  • Europa Universalis IV: Call to arms event
  • Europa Universalis IV: Wealth of Nations
  • Europa Universalis IV: Conquest of Paradise
  • Europa Universalis IV
  • Divine Wind
  • Europa Universalis III Complete
  • Europa Universalis III
  • Crusader Kings II
ryoken69 said:
4. There is no way to efficient way to raise extra troops. This is the opposite extreme of the problem with huge manpower in EU2. It is going to engender extremely conservative war-fighting. Who wants to risk losing their army when it takes years to regenerate?

I agree with this, I find it strange that you can't even hire mercenaries...

But all in all, I will be looking to try CK in MP before passing a vedict like yours. :)
 

Swuul

Zealot Crybaby Troll
161 Badges
Mar 18, 2003
4.725
1.027
  • Majesty 2 Collection
  • Galactic Assault
  • Hearts of Iron III
  • Hearts of Iron III: Their Finest Hour
  • Hearts of Iron III Collection
  • Heir to the Throne
  • Impire
  • Europa Universalis III Complete
  • King Arthur II
  • Knights of Pen and Paper +1 Edition
  • The Kings Crusade
  • Magicka
  • Majesty 2
  • For the Motherland
  • March of the Eagles
  • Europa Universalis III Complete
  • Europa Universalis IV: Res Publica
  • Victoria: Revolutions
  • Europa Universalis: Rome
  • Rome Gold
  • Semper Fi
  • Sengoku
  • Ship Simulator Extremes
  • Sword of the Stars
  • Sword of the Stars II
  • Hearts of Iron IV: No Step Back
  • Crusader Kings II: Sword of Islam
  • Ancient Space
  • Arsenal of Democracy
  • Cities in Motion
  • Cities in Motion 2
  • Crusader Kings II
  • Crusader Kings II: Charlemagne
  • Crusader Kings II: Legacy of Rome
  • Crusader Kings II: The Old Gods
  • Crusader Kings II: Rajas of India
  • Crusader Kings II: The Republic
  • Crusader Kings II: Sons of Abraham
  • Crusader Kings II: Sunset Invasion
  • A Game of Dwarves
  • Darkest Hour
  • Deus Vult
  • East India Company
  • Europa Universalis III
  • Divine Wind
  • Europa Universalis IV
  • Europa Universalis IV: Art of War
  • Europa Universalis IV: Conquest of Paradise
  • Europa Universalis IV: Wealth of Nations
  • Europa Universalis IV: Call to arms event
ryoken69 said:
CK is, despite the "awe" that affect many of you, a passing novelty. It lacks the staying power of EU2.
-snip-
I can see why people think CK is fun. It has novelty value. In a month or two, people will be seeing the truth.
Ryo, is it ok I save your message, so that we can check its truth next year this same date? You know, people *already* have been playing CK for more than a month or two, and there are more and more people playing CK MP all the time :)


------------
"Aviation is a good sport, but for the army it is useless."
General Foch in 1914

"The aeroplane is of limited use, it will never replace the cavalry."
General Haig in 1920
 

devil

Blorg Fanatic
82 Badges
Oct 20, 2003
4.959
0
  • Crusader Kings II: Reapers Due
  • Pillars of Eternity
  • Europa Universalis IV: Common Sense
  • Crusader Kings II: Horse Lords
  • Europa Universalis IV: Cossacks
  • Crusader Kings II: Conclave
  • Europa Universalis IV: Mare Nostrum
  • Stellaris
  • Stellaris: Galaxy Edition
  • Stellaris: Galaxy Edition
  • Stellaris: Galaxy Edition
  • Stellaris Sign-up
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Cadet
  • Crusader Kings II: Way of Life
  • Europa Universalis IV: Rights of Man
  • Stellaris: Digital Anniversary Edition
  • Stellaris: Leviathans Story Pack
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Together for Victory
  • Crusader Kings II: Monks and Mystics
  • Stellaris - Path to Destruction bundle
  • Steel Division: Normandy 44
  • Europa Universalis IV: Mandate of Heaven
  • Steel Division: Normandy 44 Deluxe Edition
  • Europa Universalis IV: Third Rome
  • BATTLETECH
  • Stellaris: Nemesis
  • Europa Universalis IV
  • Crusader Kings II: Charlemagne
  • Crusader Kings II: Legacy of Rome
  • Crusader Kings II: The Old Gods
  • Crusader Kings II: Rajas of India
  • Crusader Kings II: The Republic
  • Crusader Kings II: Sons of Abraham
  • Crusader Kings II: Sunset Invasion
  • Crusader Kings II: Sword of Islam
  • Europa Universalis III
  • Europa Universalis III: Chronicles
  • Europa Universalis III Complete
  • Divine Wind
  • Crusader Kings II
  • Europa Universalis IV: Art of War
  • Europa Universalis IV: Conquest of Paradise
  • Europa Universalis IV: Wealth of Nations
  • Europa Universalis IV: Call to arms event
  • Heir to the Throne
  • Europa Universalis III Complete
  • Europa Universalis III Complete
  • Europa Universalis IV: Res Publica
  • 500k Club
  • Europa Universalis IV: El Dorado
Hive said:
I agree with this, I find it strange that you can't even hire mercenaries...

But all in all, I will be looking to try CK in MP before passing a vedict like yours. :)
True but I am disapointed about the no navies thing....
 
Aug 1, 2001
2.744
1
Visit site
Jarkko Suvinen said:
Ryo, is it ok I save your message, so that we can check its truth next year this same date? You know, people *already* have been playing CK for more than a month or two, and there are more and more people playing CK MP all the time :)

Sure, go for it. I am confident that people will realize that the real "game" of CK is a micromanagement hell. On top of that the graphics engine is pretty ugly. The battle sprites are decent looking. Eu2 has better graphics, imho. Especially in terms of colors and interface.

Hell, Jarkko. The game is so imbalanced that you need a ton of house rules in YOUR MP GAMES. Now, you are a control freak and I am not talking about "no pausing or Jarkko will kill you" house rules. Rules like "No attacking Pagans/Muslims except during crusades". Why? Cuz it is the fastest best way to expand and you dont want to IMBALANCE THE GAME!!!

So have your fun. Come back and play my scenario when it is done and we will see what you think. Wouldnt it be funny if you defected back yourself? Ah, I cant wait to see you do it.
 

Hive

Lex Superior
19 Badges
Oct 16, 2002
12.250
15
  • Heir to the Throne
  • Europa Universalis IV: Pre-order
  • 500k Club
  • Victoria 2: Heart of Darkness
  • Victoria 2: A House Divided
  • Victoria 2
  • Europa Universalis IV: Res Publica
  • Europa Universalis III Complete
  • March of the Eagles
  • Europa Universalis III Complete
  • Hearts of Iron Anthology
  • Europa Universalis IV: Call to arms event
  • Europa Universalis IV: Wealth of Nations
  • Europa Universalis IV: Conquest of Paradise
  • Europa Universalis IV
  • Divine Wind
  • Europa Universalis III Complete
  • Europa Universalis III
  • Crusader Kings II
CK is not micromanagement hell. Sure, it's possibly to spend hours fiddling around with your court and such - but you don't have to. And that's the difference from Victoria, which is indeed micromanagement hell...
 

Swuul

Zealot Crybaby Troll
161 Badges
Mar 18, 2003
4.725
1.027
  • Majesty 2 Collection
  • Galactic Assault
  • Hearts of Iron III
  • Hearts of Iron III: Their Finest Hour
  • Hearts of Iron III Collection
  • Heir to the Throne
  • Impire
  • Europa Universalis III Complete
  • King Arthur II
  • Knights of Pen and Paper +1 Edition
  • The Kings Crusade
  • Magicka
  • Majesty 2
  • For the Motherland
  • March of the Eagles
  • Europa Universalis III Complete
  • Europa Universalis IV: Res Publica
  • Victoria: Revolutions
  • Europa Universalis: Rome
  • Rome Gold
  • Semper Fi
  • Sengoku
  • Ship Simulator Extremes
  • Sword of the Stars
  • Sword of the Stars II
  • Hearts of Iron IV: No Step Back
  • Crusader Kings II: Sword of Islam
  • Ancient Space
  • Arsenal of Democracy
  • Cities in Motion
  • Cities in Motion 2
  • Crusader Kings II
  • Crusader Kings II: Charlemagne
  • Crusader Kings II: Legacy of Rome
  • Crusader Kings II: The Old Gods
  • Crusader Kings II: Rajas of India
  • Crusader Kings II: The Republic
  • Crusader Kings II: Sons of Abraham
  • Crusader Kings II: Sunset Invasion
  • A Game of Dwarves
  • Darkest Hour
  • Deus Vult
  • East India Company
  • Europa Universalis III
  • Divine Wind
  • Europa Universalis IV
  • Europa Universalis IV: Art of War
  • Europa Universalis IV: Conquest of Paradise
  • Europa Universalis IV: Wealth of Nations
  • Europa Universalis IV: Call to arms event
HÄI said:
I now officially name Jarkko as "anti-pause fanatic"!
No, I am the *zealot*. As the zealot I reserve the right to bash anybody and everybody who doesn't agree with me. In the end they will give up. I am like one of the Wee Little Men, except that I am not full with blue of tattoos.

I was the zealot against lag-merchants. We don't have lag-merchants anymore.

I am the zealot against pausing. It is generally agreed pausing is not nice, but I still freak out when somebody pauses without a proper reason (proper reason being for example "Oh crap, Civil War, I need to pause until I have had time to click through these 92 message-boxes and then I can ask the host to keep the game paused for a minute or two to see who all have rebelled.").

I am the zealot against late-comers. Everytime I miss a session start time (which incidently doesn't happen that often) I whip myself with my cat-tails. I would like to use my axe whip all those who are late for each and every session. There are people who have a real life, and they have arranged their life so that they can play for a couple of hours, not waiting for somebody who decided to take a crap/shower/nap instead of showing up on time.

I am the zealot for Crusader Kings. It is already a good game even though there are many things that can be improved. I see red everytime somebody who hasn't played / has played once in SP comment its suitability to MP. IMO CK is especially suited for MP and only limitedly suited for SP, the game is simply too demanding for the (current anyway) AI, but the game really shows its strength in MP.
 

Swuul

Zealot Crybaby Troll
161 Badges
Mar 18, 2003
4.725
1.027
  • Majesty 2 Collection
  • Galactic Assault
  • Hearts of Iron III
  • Hearts of Iron III: Their Finest Hour
  • Hearts of Iron III Collection
  • Heir to the Throne
  • Impire
  • Europa Universalis III Complete
  • King Arthur II
  • Knights of Pen and Paper +1 Edition
  • The Kings Crusade
  • Magicka
  • Majesty 2
  • For the Motherland
  • March of the Eagles
  • Europa Universalis III Complete
  • Europa Universalis IV: Res Publica
  • Victoria: Revolutions
  • Europa Universalis: Rome
  • Rome Gold
  • Semper Fi
  • Sengoku
  • Ship Simulator Extremes
  • Sword of the Stars
  • Sword of the Stars II
  • Hearts of Iron IV: No Step Back
  • Crusader Kings II: Sword of Islam
  • Ancient Space
  • Arsenal of Democracy
  • Cities in Motion
  • Cities in Motion 2
  • Crusader Kings II
  • Crusader Kings II: Charlemagne
  • Crusader Kings II: Legacy of Rome
  • Crusader Kings II: The Old Gods
  • Crusader Kings II: Rajas of India
  • Crusader Kings II: The Republic
  • Crusader Kings II: Sons of Abraham
  • Crusader Kings II: Sunset Invasion
  • A Game of Dwarves
  • Darkest Hour
  • Deus Vult
  • East India Company
  • Europa Universalis III
  • Divine Wind
  • Europa Universalis IV
  • Europa Universalis IV: Art of War
  • Europa Universalis IV: Conquest of Paradise
  • Europa Universalis IV: Wealth of Nations
  • Europa Universalis IV: Call to arms event
ryoken69 said:
Rules like "No attacking Pagans/Muslims except during crusades". Why? Cuz it is the fastest best way to expand and you dont want to IMBALANCE THE GAME!!!

Err.... no, that is not the reason :) The reason for that is that we want to have more player-player interaction, not a multiple-SP-AI-bashing. The game could very well be played without such rules. The Wednesday night rules (which incidently I am GMing) doesn't have any rules, except that the Kings must have semi-salic inheritance. I wouldn't regard that as a "ton of rules" myself...

So have your fun. Come back and play my scenario when it is done and we will see what you think. Wouldnt it be funny if you defected back yourself? Ah, I cant wait to see you do it.
Your scenario? Well excuse me, but I wouldn't touch it with a long stick after you told me to keep away from it :)