Crusader Kings II: Sunset Invasion Announced!

[name_here]

Every line of code written for a fantasy DLC is a line of code that could have been written for a more historical DLC.

This DLC does not appear to require any engine modifications. The historical DLCs do require engine modifications. If you count events as code, then no, they can't be written for more historical DLCs until the engine modifications are done. If you don't, then this DLC contains zero lines of code.

And done by modders. For free. And its a total conversion. Its not "what if the White Walkers invaded Europe?"

So?

 

[Sappho of Lesbos]

Like many, I wish Paradox had finished the Pagan DLC first. Personally, I thought that a Pagan-enabling DLC should have be second, right after Sword of Islam. But it's not worth my time to whine about it.

This ought to be amusing. And I'd like to encourage Paradox to throw in a few ahistorical DLCs once in a while.

 

[DominusNovus]

Actually, from all the comments, I think it's much more 50/50. I'd even go out on a limb and say those that vigorously protest the Aztec DLC are even the minority, with a large number just not caring.

What makes you think that the people that don't care will purchase the DLC?

 

[s1234567890m]

What makes you think that the people that don't care will purchase the DLC?

Cheap, new content, etc

 

[JimThePocket]

Every line of code written for a fantasy DLC is a line of code that could have been written for a more historical DLC.

Are you actually demanding that a games company spend all of its time and energy catering to your personal tastes? That's preposterous.

 

[Muskeato]

What makes you think that the people that don't care will purchase the DLC?

I don't. I meant that the group of people who seem outraged by this decision, as opposed to those that either support it or are ambivalent, is a minority. That and it's cheap, so some might buy it just to support Paradox generally even if they don't particularly plan on using it themselves.

 

[DominusNovus]

Are you actually demanding that a games company spend all of its time and energy catering to your personal tastes? That's preposterous.

No. I'm expecting that a company that makes a historical game will produce historical content for it, if they are going to produce additional content. There's fantasy games out there for them to produce fantasy content for.

 

[DominusNovus]

I don't. I meant that the group of people who seem outraged by this decision, as opposed to those that either support it or are ambivalent, is a minority. That and it's cheap, so some might buy it just to support Paradox generally even if they don't particularly plan on using it themselves.

It doesn't matter why people don't buy it; if there's not enough market support for it, then someone at Paradox will likely realize that the same amount of effort could have produce better returns.

 

[Theophotos]

I know I may be a little late in saying it, but I dislike this DLC, especially after the achievement that was Legacy of Rome. Just seems frivolous in comparison...

 

[Hasimir Fenring]

I can see how this might be a fun expansion but personally I don't think how I will react, personally I would rather see a expansion focused on the Pagans and Norse rather than a fantasy scenario.

Still interesting where this will lead :huh:

+ 1

 

[suplanter]

i didnt read all 54 pages so i am not sure if any one comment on it but maybe and i repeat just maybe this dlc sprang from the developers working on others things that we do want to see, like a fleshed out paganism or mongol horde. lets say they are working on those things, it wouldnt be that hard to just slap some new events and skins to create a ridiculous turn of events like the aztecs attacking the east. until we are really able to see all the features added how will we know what this dlc touches on and where it does not. i have a feeling that we will all be pleasantly surprised when this is all done with.

also, this is a rant but what is with you people and "historical plausibility"?! this is a freakin video game. i want a fleshed out interactive immersive game as much as the next person but to exclude content for the sake of "historical accuracy" is a joke. if this great world and its history is so important get out of your chair and interact with it a little instead of staring at a screen all day. i dont mean to act the fool but the majority of people on this forum are i assume grown men. pick your battles when they matter and live with the rest. it isnt that bad.

 

[tnick0225]

Well I think I may have touched on this in my bitchy post earlier (sorry for the language) only reason I'm against it is if it makes Pagans playable, and only way to have them is to buy DLC...but then you have to deal with a scenario you don't want to have in game. I'd probably like to try the scenario out once, but honestly if I have to buy this and use the DLC but have to deal with a fantasy land everytime due to this, I will be sorely disappointed.

I would like them to add features make Pagans interesting make the game more diverse the way SoI and Legacy of Rome has.

Now with that said if PI makes the Aztec Invasion optional meaning you can turn it off, then by all means that would be awesome and I would enjoy the DLC quite immensely. Making the game more fun and shaking things up is one thing, and can be done in many many ways, I am just secretly hoping PI allows an option to turn the Aztec invasion off, in a way I think that would oddly enough make just about everyone happy.

The history buffs can experience it once, just to see, but still have the content, the fantasy buffs can use it all the time, and PI gets their sales. Personally I'm sure if they're writing in a completely new scenario, they can easily code in an option to turn such a crazy idea off before game start

 

[Lord Binky]

This is a great idea for an expansion, not only because us normal people will enjoy it, but also because it causes the worst members of the Pdox fan base to cry an ocean of tears. I'm hoping for more troll expansions after this

 

[Small]

can not say i am overly excited for it but it will be interesting to see the features the game brings and i do hope there is an option in the game to turn the Aztec invasion but it is still interesting none the less

 

[unmerged(128806)]

What makes you think that the people that don't care will purchase the DLC?

Cause that's always like this. Whiners are the first to buy the very thing they whine about.

 

[kardwill]

Sounds like a fun "what if" scenario. It should enliven the end-game situation in the west, to be sure. I think I'll play it.

Sure, it's a fantasy (or rather an "alternate history") DLC, but let's be frank, the classical "Norse revival in the 12th century" scenario that many are hoping for is pretty fantasy too.
(Frankly, I'd love a pagan DLC, but more about the Tengri and the Romuva : They were both living faith backed by pretty powerful nations, and they were both involved in the crusades, while the Norse faith was clearly dying at the time of the game start.)

 

[Svip]

Comparing this DLC to the other major DLCs (e.g. Sword of Islam and Legacy of Rome) is missing the point. The development cycles are completely different. This DLC does not require engine modification, and thus does not require the same developers to work on it, as are working on other major DLCs (such as perhaps a Pagan DLC).

Why release this DLC before an important DLC is finished? Because this DLC is finished, and the others are not. I suspect, that while the event scripters, historical researchers and artists are waiting for the developers to finish important aspects of the other DLCs, they decided to work on something else, so they weren't wasting their time.

Essentially like this; they weren't doing anything anyway, and they decided to create a DLC that would only require skill/access that they had (that is, the scripters and artists).

Thinking that this DLC took any time away from a major DLC is simply not understanding how the development process works. It seems more like there was a vacuum in time, because important design decisions and code changes had to be made in the engine by the programmers and developers, so those creating content simply had to wait. Trust me, this happens. A lot. So it makes a lot of sense for them to do something else.

Usually, you tend not to bring in artists and scripters until late in the game development process, but since they are probably already on the CK2 DLC cycle, it made no sense to take them off, put them on V2 or HoI3 or EU4, because they would be back at CK2 in a jiffy! So rather than wasting their time, they made this.

So stop bickering about time being taken away from 'something important', because it makes you look stupid. I am not saying you are, but it is clear that you are complaining about something that you don't understand how works.

Complain instead, that the scripters and artists decided to create an Aztec invasion DLC rather than something else they could do (this does not include Pagans, Republics, Theocracies, other types of religion/government, any new game mechanics, interface features, etc.; it only includes events and art).

 

[DominusNovus]

Cause that's always like this. Whiners are the first to buy the very thing they whine about.

Thats a non-sequiter, particularly given that the question was about people who don't care (and are, thus, not 'whiners')...

 

[Czert]

well

will have aztecks some sort of superunits ? if they will have historical ones, then even just 100 of knights (heavy cavalary) can slain thousands of them without caulaties.

 

[DominusNovus]

Complain instead, that the scripters and artists decided to create an Aztec invasion DLC rather than something else they could do (this does not include Pagans, Republics, Theocracies, other types of religion/government, any new game mechanics, interface features, etc.; it only includes events and art).

Thats what we've done.