Crusader Kings II: Sunset Invasion Announced!

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oh for gods sake stop making a mountain out of a molehill.


ITS ONE DLC

and its only 14 days away anyway.

They've probably got the DLC all planned out, or maybe they decided to add this in just for fun

SO RELAX!

It looks interesting! Might even be fun.

So STOP ACTING LIKE A BUNCH OF SPOILED BRATS

get over it ya bunch of babies stop throwing your temper tantrum and stomping your feet on the floor. THIS IS NO BIG DEAL. YOU'LL GET THE DLC YOU WANT.

PI does listen to us they've got a great track record with listening to the community, with that record of listening to the fans and implementing our suggestions, do you really think that they would stiff you on the Pagan, Theocracy, and Republic DLC?

For those who want theocracy and Republic.......WHY? This is Crusader Kings II not Theocracy or Republic II. I can see the Pagan dlc but the other two...they don't fit into the game.

What I'm saying is get over it for god's sake this is not a big deal, I don't particularly care for it myself but now I think it might be a bit of fun, especially when you're a huge blob in mid game or at least pretty big.

So i'm going to buy it I woud like to try it and i'm glad they're willing to have some fun with the game. Just try it, if youre that much of a baby then don't buy it. So shut up and just relax a little bit.

 

[Nuril]

For those who want theocracy and Republic.......WHY? This is Crusader Kings II not Theocracy or Republic II. I can see the Pagan dlc but the other two...they don't fit into the game.

This is clearly Jihadi Sultans 2 or Aztek Tlatoani 2, then. Is Victoria 2 exclusively allowing you to play Great Britain, too? The name of the game is merely marketing. It's not as if Crusading actually takes up a majority of what you do in the game. It's "Interpersonal Relations 2". One can hardly argue that Republics etc. aren't chock-full of those.

 

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well the dynasty part, its about having children and raising them making your family strong. The republics and theocracies don't have families. its a dynasty simulator man

 

[Colombo]

well the dynasty part, its about having children and raising them making your family strong. The republics and theocracies don't have families. its a dynasty simulator man

Well... there are quite a few famous merchant families that ruled republics in semi-hereditary way...

 

[tompalmer]

well the dynasty part, its about having children and raising them making your family strong. The republics and theocracies don't have families. its a dynasty simulator man

-_- Been stated and ruled out 199th time

 

[Tomn_Peng]

Something worth pointing out here.

As mentioned earlier, this DLC is, as far as can be told, being made by people who would be twiddling their thumbs at this point anyways while the programmers work on a more "serious" expansion. So it's not sucking away resources from anything nearer and dearer to people's hearts.

Further, this DLC is completely and utterly optional - the only thing you miss out by not buying it is the Aztec Invasion, which the more historically-minded don't want anyways.

Since it doesn't actively affect the gameplay of anyone who doesn't want it nor slow down the developments that folks DO want, the folks bitching about it being ahistorical are basically bitching at Paradox for not being as serious-minded and solemn as they themselves are. It'd be like getting offended at Leonardo da Vinci because in between making beautiful works of art and innovative new designs, he liked to draw penises and write dirty limericks on his bathroom walls.

C'mon, folks, ain't Paradox allowed to unbend once in a while?

 

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Something worth pointing out here.

As mentioned earlier, this DLC is, as far as can be told, being made by people who would be twiddling their thumbs at this point anyways while the programmers work on a more "serious" expansion. So it's not sucking away resources from anything nearer and dearer to people's hearts.

Further, this DLC is completely and utterly optional - the only thing you miss out by not buying it is the Aztec Invasion, which the more historically-minded don't want anyways.

Since it doesn't actively affect the gameplay of anyone who doesn't want it nor slow down the developments that folks DO want, the folks bitching about it being ahistorical are basically bitching at Paradox for not being as serious-minded and solemn as they themselves are. It'd be like getting offended at Leonardo da Vinci because in between making beautiful works of art and innovative new designs, he liked to draw penises and write dirty limericks on his bathroom walls.

C'mon, folks, ain't Paradox allowed to unbend once in a while?

this is absolutely true

 

[JohnKR]

Actually that conversation its not productive. Im not against the DLC and we must understand that if the developer wants to make a small experiment and go a little extreme is what makes him creative, if the developers were hearing what the gamers say the game should be an other total war with first person elements! And some things are subjective, i think that adding something like playable republics that is out of the game experience its much worse than adding something thats only an optional enemy. The most important thing to make a historical game is not how good are the locations or the names but how good is the system of the period.

 

[podcat]

someone linked me this "historical evidence"

 

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-_- Been stated and ruled out 199th time

Its not ruled out. What's the point in having all the marriages and family mechanics?

 

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Actually that conversation its not productive. Im not against the DLC and we must understand that if the developer wants to make a small experiment and go a little extreme is what makes him creative, if the developers were hearing what the gamers say the game should be an other total war with first person elements! And some things are subjective, i think that adding something like playable republics that is out of the game experience its much worse than adding something thats only an optional enemy. The most important thing to make a historical game is not how good are the locations or the names but how good is the system of the period.

yes, i dont understand why there are ppl who say that thats been ruled out??

this is a valid point, pagans and muslims are one thing to add but adding republics and theocracies just are completely against the basic nature of the game

 

[Dimensius]

Paradox, if you're still listening I just want to tell you I love this idea. It's out of the ordinary and original. I remember when my brother and I first played Europa 3 we wanted to invade Europe as the Cherokee and Mayans but never could due to them being so low on the technological food chain. Anyway, you have +1 buyer for what it's worth.

 

[SineNobilitate]

This is the best DLC idea since Magicka: Vietnam.

 

[Nuril]

someone linked me this "historical evidence"

I think it might be a forgery.. Did they have .net domains in the 12th Century? I'm not sure, I'm no expert so I can't tell by the pixels.

Its not ruled out. What's the point in having all the marriages and family mechanics?

The Medici's and their like? You don't think the Republics were actually ruled democratically, did you?

Much in the same way as you might play the "House of the Julii" during the Roman Republic there are prominent families that drift in and out of power and have rivalries with eachother, while controlling certain regions of said Republics.

 

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Paradox, if you're still listening I just want to tell you I love this idea. It's out of the ordinary and original. I remember when my brother and I first played Europa 3 we wanted to invade Europe as the Cherokee and Mayans but never could due to them being so low on the technological food chain. Anyway, you have +1 buyer for what it's worth.

yea! This is obviously something fun for us to do rather than just waiting for the next big dlc. They've done a nice, small, fun little scenario to give us a chance to break out of the ordinary CKII and most importantly so that we have something to occupy us until the next big dlc. I for one really appreciate that they are doing this for the community. I hope they keep coming up with some really fun fantasy dlc in the future. This is about having fun not being just a historical game. I really like the idea of coming up with some fantasy stuff nothing with magic mind you but stuff like this is is gonna be quite fun and interesting. An invasion of the west would be pretty fun to play out too. Now its not just the Russians in a desperate situation now its Western Europe too!

 

[King]

I think it might be a forgery.. Did they have .net domains in the 12th Century? I'm not sure, I'm no expert so I can't tell by the pixels.

We are not convinced by your so called forgery claim, it is proof enough for us.

 

[Tomn_Peng]

yes, i dont understand why there are ppl who say that thats been ruled out??

this is a valid point, pagans and muslims are one thing to add but adding republics and theocracies just are completely against the basic nature of the game

I don't know if I can agree with that.

To a certain extent, the whole point of CK2 as I see it is to be involved in interesting, historically-plausible situations, often in a setting that you're particularly interested in. Some folks like to fight the Reconquista, some folks enjoy fending off the Turkish hordes from the Roman Empire, others like the idea of the fraticidal politics of the Russian principalities, etc. etc. Thing is, this period is the heydey of the Venetian Republic, among others. To some people, that's pretty cool - a single city dominating much of the Mediterranean and exerting its influence in all directions, all the while engaged in cutthroat politics internally. It offers a lot of potential fun, leaving aside all the OTHER Italian Republics. And then, on the other hand, we have the possibility of controlling the frackin' Papacy, which will probably come with some reworkings of how the Church itself works. That, too, would provide some damned interesting playgrounds to romp in. Now, sure, this doesn't quite fit in with the existing game systems at present, but isn't the point of an expansion to create new systems to allow such experiences?

 

[Qantrix]

Well... there are quite a few famous merchant families that ruled republics in semi-hereditary way...

The essence of this game is that you are playing as a ruler and dynasty, not as a nation or a state. Give me an example of a Republic that was ruled by one single family for decades/centuries. It certainly wasn't common, if you look at Venice and Genoa you see a number of recurring families, sometimes one family was in power for two or three generations but not more. And how disappointed would you be if playing a Republic was exactly the same as playing a Monarchy, just with some different titles? That would be almost as ahistorical as this Aztec invasion.

Properly simulating playing as a Republic during this era requires an overhaul of the game and inserting quite a few new game mechanics. While I'm not against it (it could actually make for some great gameplay and give CK2 a new dimension) it requires a lot more work then a few events and some new sprites and faces. The thought that Paradox could have done that in between projects like the Sunset Invasion DLC was done is absurd.

 

[Tufto]

Haha, cool idea. I will be buying this.

Though this thread does make me despair of my fellow Paradoxians. Seriously, just grow up.

 

[LordNeidhart]

Remember Paradox, next time you make a game, name it "Possibly Independent Sovereign of Indeterminate Gender And Unspecified Ethnicity And Religious Beliefs That Might or Might Not Routinely Engage In Various Activities Involving Certain Varying Degrees of Military Activity, Internal Economical Policies and Diplomatic Negotiations While Bound To Varying Subtypes of Succession Mechanics and Social Costumary Conventions III, Generally But Not Mandatorily Following Certain Guidelines of Historical Accuracy According to Reasonably Modern Studies in Historiography". COMPLETELY COMPLAINT PROOF!