Crusader Kings II: Sunset Invasion Announced!

[masteriw]

The amount of moaners bitching that there is no Pagan DLC announced is almost making me wish PI never release it.

 

[Dadarian]

I am absolutely livid at this news. I am going to try and compose myself long enough to write this post, but I've already punched my monitor several times and will likely do so several more before I finally hit "Submit."

What makes CKII stand out from other similar strategy games is the freedom you have. The end goal is not world conquest. The goal is whatever you decide to do with your dynasty. You can literally become the character you play as. For months now, I have "lived" as a King of Italy, a Duke of Lombardy, a Count of Bourbon, developing relationships with historical and fictional characters with their own unique personalities and character traits. I have formed friendships and even romances as prevalent and intense as any you could find in real life. I have shed true tears for the wives I've wed and lost, the sons and daughters I've raised and seen taken away too early. My heart has swelled with pride as I've bestowed titles upon the progeny that has made me proudest and witnessed my soul crushed by the necessity of having to "take care of" an unsuitable heir. I know it's not cool to be melodramatic or mawkish on the Internet but I am not ashamed to say that I have been emotionally invested in CKII, and while I know that the games do not follow history exactly as a recreation, the scenarios we play are realistic simulations based on real countries, often real people, and real historical junctures where the world as we know it changed.

Until now.

By indulging in this selfish, childish fantasy about Aztecs invading Europe, Paradox is sending a message to gamers like me that our feelings don't matter. The devs seem to be under the impression that CKII is just a way to pass the hours, to distract ourselves briefly from thoughts of impending death. Yet, for many of us, CKII is no laughing matter. It is serious business. Still, for a long time, many players like me have put up with Paradox's mistakes -- neglecting the complexity and nuances of the Eastern Roman Empire (NOT Byzantium), the obvious inaccuracies about the size and strength of Greater Serbia (Fourth Rome), clearly overstating the technological advances of any and all non-Caucasian cultures -- because we knew better than to bite the hand that feeds. We dared not to "go Galt" because, like drug addicts, we had become fiends hopelessly enthralled to the content churned out by those Swedish code monkeys and their barely cursory understanding of the glories of Western civilization. I mean, they could have added much-needed context to the great Balkan noble families of the 13th and 14th centuries, but instead they wasted their time on inconsequential things like West Africa and African portrait packs.

But that pales in comparison to this... This is like your husband promising to bake you an awesome cake but when you finally go into the kitchen to see what your husband has baked for you, all you find is a grown man, naked, playing in 100 pounds worth of chocolate pudding. "Honey," you ask sternly, "where is the delicious cake you promised me?" Your husband looks up at you with an idiotic grin on his face. "Baby, instead of baking you the cake you wanted, I took off my clothes and jumped into this pile of chocolate pudding!" The pudding is this DLC. The cake is the pagan or theocracy or republic DLC we really want. The devs are the grown man naked in the pudding. And we are the jilted wife -- and we are mad as heck, and we are not going to take it anymore.

I call on my fellow CKII fans to boycott any and all Paradox products until the devs put down their Latin American liberation theology books and stop visiting those Maoist Third World-ist blogs and instead go back to their meatballs and house mafias or whatever else they have in Sweden -- AND GIVE US, THE CONSUMERS, what we are asking you for!!! It is not hard!!! It's not unreasonable to want you to do what we ask you to do!!! And to stop being so selfish and glib about making video games!!! Give us the video games!!!

Okay. I am sorry. I had to let the world know how I felt. I owed it to the characters in my games -- and your games -- who only ask for the respect and rights you would give any video game character. Withdraw this DLC and treat video games as serious business.

^This, I am speechless. I was literally just kicked out of the library for laughing too hard and loudly. PI, I will donate 5$ for the thread, regardless of the DLC. (Note: listening to Eligh while reading this thread is oddly appropriate)

This made my day.

 

[Sleight of Hand]

^This, I am speechless. I was literally just kicked out of the library for laughing too hard and loudly. PI, I will donate 5$ for the thread, regardless of the DLC. (Note: listening to Eligh while reading this thread is oddly appropriate)

This made my day.

:rofl:

I missed that. That's pretty good.

 

[Omnissiah]

The amount of moaners bitching that there is no Pagan DLC announced is almost making me wish PI never release it.

"What the hell Pdox? Aztecs are so ahistorical, give me playable pagans so I conquer all of Europe as Pomerania!!"

 

[Sleight of Hand]

"What the hell Pdox? Aztecs are so ahistorical, give me playable pagans so I conquer all of Europe as Pomerania!!"

Apples and oranges.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Moravia

 

[Orinsul]

As long as Llama riding Aztec shamans can cast fireball's (with high religious Authority), I'm fine with the DLC.

If it had been announced that they had magic and fireballs, probably there wouldnt have caused such a big problem as removing it from the rules of reality entirely would have made it plausible. And would have offered more to modders to boot.

But really to them as are calling for a boycott, that wouldnt help. Boycotting this DLC wont stop it being made, it'll only harm future DLCs of the sort them as calling for a boycott are demanding. This DLC might well be incredibly lame and pointless but its basically finished so no point in fighting it is there? its done with, all boycotting will do is harm the incentive for future DLCs so itd be a daft thing to do really.
Buy if you if want it, or buy to be complete, but dont compel others not to buy it just to make a statement. As it wont make a statement, thats not how these things work. It'll only harm the future of the game as if DLCs dont continue to sell well then the game'll fall behind when it comes to where DLC teams get allocated as thats how businesses work.


The current thing i want to know is, how long do they need to be around for that sacrifice event to fire, as im only guessing but i cant imagine you could get a pyramid up in less than thirty-fifty years and even then youd only have one so youd want a month between the taking prisoner and it firing to give them time to get him there.

 

[Eoino]

Looking forward to the DLC, amazing idea even if some people won't like it.

 

[unmerged(147169)]

^This, I am speechless. I was literally just kicked out of the library for laughing too hard and loudly. PI, I will donate 5$ for the thread, regardless of the DLC. (Note: listening to Eligh while reading this thread is oddly appropriate)

This made my day.

sorry to say that's probably a troll, since he mentioned Greater Srbja, fourth Rome, etc.

It's still really good though.

 

[shivan]

I think its a bad DLC.
its not historical and many other DLCs would be a much more needed. Also this "plague" sounds like a really bad idea, its not something people think is fun.

but oh well, if you dont like DLCs dont buy them. Its the only way to stop it.

 

[Rrr]

^This, I am speechless. I was literally just kicked out of the library for laughing too hard and loudly. PI, I will donate 5$ for the thread, regardless of the DLC. (Note: listening to Eligh while reading this thread is oddly appropriate)

This made my day.

Dadarian: Plaese tell me why do you play this game? I know that before people used to play paradox because the only computer they had was crappy notebook. However I believe current paradox game means you should have a gamer computer (notebook or not) to play the games.
So the question is - what makes this game intresting to you? Why you even bother to play?
I understand the people that tries to relive the content (story).
However if you dont like the content then what is you like? Surely it is not tactics - you should play chess for that. Its not action. Its not visual satisfaction. So what is left?

 

[LodovicoAriosto]

I almost cried when I read that. (quoted by Dadarian above) hardly anybody could put it better. You cynical mockers don't know what true love is. :wub: And that love must be hard sometimes when your counterpart starts doing mischief. Especially when it comes from reckless beer-driven office pranks.

Ok, I am a bit exaggerating here. It is great that PI shares fruits of their intimate moments with us, the community. Even if it is in the form of paid DLC instead of a free bonus to the 3rd major DLC.

 

[Nuril]

So what is left?

History and plausible Roleplay. Are you seriously going to claim this DLC is competent in either? :happy:

 

[Torden]

I think its a bad DLC.
its not historical and many other DLCs would be a much more needed. Also this "plague" sounds like a really bad idea, its not something people think is fun.

but oh well, if you dont like DLCs dont buy them. Its the only way to stop it.

Stop it? As in stop paradox making for ze lulz dlc's?
If they want to, and they sell, let them make it.
Don't take it upon yourself to ruin my game experience.

 

[Dovahkiing]

The inevitable question I always ask when a new patch comes out: Will 1.08 be compatible with 1.07 saves?

 

[Nuril]

Stop it? As in stop paradox making for ze lulz dlc's?
If they want to, and they sell, let them make it.
Don't take it upon yourself to ruin my game experience.

..But that's what he's saying. Not buying = Not selling. He isn't required to buy things he doesn't like to subsidize your gaming experience.

 

[the_hdk]

Stop it? As in stop paradox making for ze lulz dlc's?
If they want to, and they sell, let them make it.
Don't take it upon yourself to ruin my game experience.

so he should buy them so you can play them. how silly.

if you don't like a product don't buy it simple as that. (the - but in future they WILL make something good - argument is the most silly of all)

 

[Torden]

..But that's what he's saying. Not buying = Not selling. He isn't required to buy things he doesn't like to subsidize your gaming experience.

YES! I agree, he isn't required to buy it! This whole thread is going bat shit crazy for nothing.

Its the only way to stop it.

Why add that at the end? If you don't like it, don't buy it. Don't make it about forcing paradox to do what you want ^^,

 

[Dovahkiing]

Guys, it's just a freaking minor $5 DLC that is not interfering with the development of your Holy Grail-like Pagan/Republic/Theocracy DLC(s). You don't want to face a silly completely ahistorical threat, don't buy it. If you want to have some fun with the serious-face simulation that is CK2 (nothing wrong with that, though), buy it and enjoy having your ruler's heart being torn out. Don't start lashing out at a dev that consistently makes good games and generously releases major content updates free of charge along with paid-for DLC periodically.

 

[A_Dane]

so he should buy them so you can play them. how silly.

if you don't like a product don't buy it simple as that. (the - but in future they WILL make something good - argument is the most silly of all)

I think the point he was trying to make was more in the line of: I would find this sort of thing amusing to play with, and it dosn't mean anything you wish for, won't become reality (pagans, republics etc whatever the hell it is people wish for), so why shouldn't they make it?

 

[Torden]

if you don't like a product don't buy it simple as that. (the - but in future they WILL make something good - argument is the most silly of all)

I have to quote Mitt Romney, "I didn't say that!"