Crusader Kings II: Sunset Invasion Announced!

[TheChronoMaster]

Which should give you a hint that anyone who gives half a shit about historicity isn't just a horrible stick-in-the-mud out to ruin everyone's day. My modding work is littered with references and eastereggs too. The difference is that it's modding work. We're often making silly stuff for people so inclined (even if the mere existence of Vinland is just alt-History). It's fine for it to be in the main game too, it just shouldn't be so.. blatant. Like I said, I wasn't saying the event itself shouldn't be there, but what does it detract from leaving open the possibility that it's some Chinese sage traveling along the silk road, or maybe even some civilization even closer? It's unnecessary to restrict it to the least plausible option.

Seriously, all you people going on about how anyone who dislikes this needs to "lighten up" and, quote, how they're "laughing at the butthurt retards".. yeah, we're the immature ones without a sense of humour. Obviously. It couldn't possibly be that we just don't need a lecture on how we should find the things you find funny just as funny.

I'm not even that shocked about this development. The addition of fantasy Empires deadened the surprise for me, I suppose. I just hope that the Pagan DLC doesn't end up as some Conanesque nonsense.

I am not the person who said either of those things, and I disapprove of them.

And it's NOT in the main game. That is the point. This and Legacy of Rome are essentially professional mods. Neither one impacts the base CK2 game in any meaningful way, both are 100% optional, and like everything else, fully moddable.

 

[LarryLeica]

Nah. Asking people if they like being invaded both by Fatimids and Aztecs simultaneously.

You forgot the Mongols.

This looks crap to be blunt, hopefully it's a joke.

 

[nette001]

Except that this work is just a spin-off of something else, and work done to support it will save on work done to support the same features in EUIV. No net time is lost

I just wonder if I should combine that highlighted part with the longboat-like appearance of the Aztec ships, and start asking whether there is something outside of CK in the make about Vikings colonising the North Atlantic, raiding Europe and discovering America.

 

[Mixxer5]

You're comparing a dlc with unique events, a new civilization, new art, and more to a purely cosmetic addition to a single-player game?

~Whatever dude.~

Woow. That's so much (win)! Everyone can mod such invasion to game, plenty of mods have more developed events, art... Fine, art is unique- but it's ridiculous!

 

[kingsword]

You're comparing a dlc with unique events, a new civilization, new art, and more to a purely cosmetic addition to a single-player game?

~Whatever dude.~

I agree that it cannot be compared to horse armor. Horse armor didn't break the game like this one.

 

[unmerged(170715)]

You're comparing a dlc with unique events, a new civilization, new art, and more to a purely cosmetic addition to a single-player game?

~Whatever dude.~

I actually wanted armor on my horses, not paying for it though. If this was in the original game I would never have bought it.

And have you tried playing mid-late game CKII in multiplayer? It's impossible, constant out of sync errors and glitches. This is a single-player DLC as well.

 

[Mixxer5]

You forgot the Mongols.

This looks crap to be blunt, hopefully it's a joke.

I just wonder if I should combine that highlighted part with the longboat-like appearance of the Aztec ships, and start asking whether there is something outside of CK in the make about Vikings colonising the North Atlantic, raiding Europe and discovering America.

Shhh! Be quiet. Unless You want to be attacked by horse riding Aztecs wielding Viking axes and praying to Allah!

 

[Davisx3m]

Awesome! Will buy directly!

 

[TheChronoMaster]

Woow. That's so much (win)! Everyone can mod such invasion to game, plenty of mods have more developed events, art... Fine, art is unique- but it's ridiculous!

So your argument is that because modders can do it, Paradox shouldn't, right?


Guess we don't need Pagan DLC, modders have already made them playable.

 

[Khanwulf]

Ah, than cool, no worries. Any info on what the accompanying patch will hold? May not buy this, but would put down 40 USD for a dark ages/viking invasions expansion including Ragnar, Cnut, Charlemagne, Belisaurius & Justinian, and the Muslim conquests

Ok, ok. First: this. I desperately want a dark ages game dealing with the migration of peoples and ideas into the hollowing Roman Empire!

Now, my initial thought was "Oh God, they must be joking."

Now, while I'd rather the time be spent on major fleshing-out of period things along historical lines, I'd really like to see CK2 on the world map as a better lead-in to EU4 mega-games. I might not buy this DLC, or I might. It does look like someone cracked up the boardroom and was given a little time after-hours to mash something together, plus a bit 'o art.

All-righty then.

As a side note, evidence points to eastern North America being a thriving civilization at this time filled with people in more numerous numbers than Europe. Then around 1650s a massive plague swept through and killed 96% of them. Yeah. So, if you're doing a reverse-invasion scenario, why not bring they plague, too!

--Khanwulf

 

[unmerged(521638)]

I'm not going to buy this product. It seems unnecessary. I'd prefer it if they focused on an expansion that improved the core gameplay, like the way the EU3 expansions did. These DLCs seem a bit superficial.

 

[the.ront]

"Coming December 25th (midnight release!) the next amazing DLC for Crusader Kings II, you've faced the Mongols from the East, the Aztecs from the West and now fend off the greatest threat off them all from the north. He is big, he is jolly, he rides a sligh of death accompanied by his deadly reindeer. Fight off his army of helper elves and watch out for the new gift giving events. Have you been naughty, or nice?"

(Ok ok, not that funny I know!)

I was thinking perhaps this would have received a better reaction if this had been the result of a community poll for a new and 'fun' DLC. Just my thoughts.

Want it now. +1

 

[Davisx3m]

No, they are like the Mongols, but you never know what the future will bring...

Ohh.. Imagine sacrifising your own son to satisfy the gods! AWESOME! I hope that will be true one day!

 

[Metz]

Will Sunset Invasion come with a new patch? Will the new features that come with Sunset Invasion be moddable? You said human sacrifice and religious features and such, maybe that can be translated into a European version of something? Maybe into persecution of people during the black plague (burning or drowning witches, peoples wives, or daughters, or heretics to get rid of competition)?

 

[paperfire]

I love this idea. For the entire CK2, western Europe is safe and that got boring quick for me. I don't care if this is ahistorical, it adds alot more life and dynamic events to the stale western Europe.

 

[Lord Tywin]

I agree that it cannot be compared to horse armor. Horse armor didn't break the game like this one.

Please, do tell how this will break the game.

 

[Nuril]

I am not the person who said either of those things, and I disapprove of them.

I was speaking generally. The vast majority of the "pro-Aztek" comments in this very thread follow those lines.

And it's NOT in the main game. That is the point. This and Legacy of Rome are essentially professional mods. Neither one impacts the base CK2 game in any meaningful way, both are 100% optional, and like everything else, fully moddable.

And I am not the person saying this has no right to be made. They're a business, fine, but they aren't entitled to us not complaining about cashgrabs without regard for history. You can still be concerned over the direction a company is taking despite not actually having to buy a specific bit of DLC. Like I said I am mostly concerned about how this new direction will hurt the historicity of a future Pagan DLC and turn them into some absurd Hollywood barbarians just for "fun". Which it wouldn't be.

I won't be buying this and that's all well-and-good. The "no resources from elsewhere"-excuse doesn't hold water to even basic common sense, though. Sure, it may not have been in their plans to do something else with those resources, but that doesn't mean they couldn't have. Like a nice complementary DLC on the Zoroastrians to go along with Sword of Islam or the like.

 

[Mixxer5]

So your argument is that because modders can do it, Paradox shouldn't, right?


Guess we don't need Pagan DLC, modders have already made them playable.

Know what? If they're going to be similar to Byzantines in LoR- no, we don't. It's stupid to release silly DLC when game needs fixing! When everything works properly, we can play Republics and so on properly- fine. But till then I want to have playable game not some Aztec stuff!

 

[Haresus]

Please, do tell how this will break the game.

He has been brainwashed into buying anything, and then he is not gaming-savvy enough to untick a box and have the DLC not run.

 

[jfinley12]

Ohh.. Imagine sacrifising your own son to satisfy the gods! AWESOME! I hope that will be true one day!

You can do this already there is an event in vanilla that a crack in the ground opens and one of the options is to throw in your son.