Crusader Kings II - Steam and GG Versions - The Future

[balmung60]

He won't do that. As anti-progress as he is, he won't take a step into the "compile it yourself, n00b" ways of the past.
Come to think of it, he SHOULD switch to Linux. It might give him some much-needed perspective.

Actually, these days, compile it yourself is largely a thing of the past. At least if you're using standard issue software that has its packages handled by the Ubuntu Software Center or if you're using Steam. Now, if you want anything out of the ordinary, "compile it yourself, n00b" comes back in full force. But the two biggest killers of manual compiling are the Software Center used by Ubuntu and derivatives and Steam.

On the other hand, double-click -> wizard -> install is pretty much unheard of on Linux. Though with the other two methods, the old-skool Windows wizard method seems really quaint and outdated, largely because Steam and the Software Center are even more convenient.

 

[unmerged(133356)]

He won't do that. As anti-progress as he is, he won't take a step into the "compile it yourself, n00b" ways of the past.
Come to think of it, he SHOULD switch to Linux. It might give him some much-needed perspective.

Now you're just trolling.

 

[TheRevanchist]

It's not platform specific, as far as I'm aware. You should be able to play on all three platforms - downloading multiple times to different computers - with the same steam key.

There is one exception where you have to buy a separate copy for mac: http://store.steampowered.com/app/214630/

But then again, considering the game, I doubt it will surprise anyone.

 

[TheChronoMaster]

Will have to double-check, but I'm pretty sure I killed it.

And I don't recall the GG's installer trying to run at Windows startup, or automatically contact the internet.

You can turn both of those options off with three clicks, you know.

 

[Vokasak]

Actually, these days, compile it yourself is largely a thing of the past. At least if you're using standard issue software that has its packages handled by the Ubuntu Software Center or if you're using Steam. Now, if you want anything out of the ordinary, "compile it yourself, n00b" comes back in full force. But the two biggest killers of manual compiling are the Software Center used by Ubuntu and derivatives and Steam.

On the other hand, double-click -> wizard -> install is pretty much unheard of on Linux. Though with the other two methods, the old-skool Windows wizard method seems really quaint and outdated, largely because Steam and the Software Center are even more convenient.

Agreed, of course. But in my experience there's always the odd piece of software (Usually some small/indie developed utility) that falls under the "out of the ordinary" category.

Now you're just trolling.

I'm just waiting for you to stop dodging and actually support your claims. Eventually you're going to have to respond to the content of people's posts, or stop responding entirely. Either is acceptable.

You can turn both of those options off with three clicks, you know.

"Clicks too hard. I'd rather waste several thousand keystrokes telling you how bad it is on a forum"

 

[unmerged(133356)]

You can turn both of those options off with three clicks, you know.

Why should I have to install Steam and configure it in the first place? Why doesn't Steam just do what GG does, and offer a download of the installer?

 

[unmerged(133356)]

Do these forums have an ignore feature?

 

[Emperor Leo]

All I really want to know is when/how GG purchasers are going to get their Steam keys. Can we debate whether or not Steam is the beast of the apocalypse on another thread?
I've got CK2 on GG and want to know from Paradox how that's going to work and rather not wade through 30 pages of the same old rehashed Intertubes rant about Steam to find out.
It's irrelevant to the issue at hand which is steam keys for GG buyers of CK2 (soon, please!). Paradox games are going to be available through steam and that ain't going to change.

I hope Paradox make the announcement in a stickied, locked thread to make life easier for those of us who really don't care about other people's opinion of Steam.

 

[balmung60]

Why should I have to install Steam and configure it in the first place? Why doesn't Steam just do what GG does, and offer a download of the installer?

So, three clicks once at set up is worse than three clicks every single time you install anything ever?

Also, after my time on Linux, installers seem remarkably quaint. And on top of that, you'd be surprised how many people can mess up using an installer and how badly they can mess it up.

 

[unmerged(133356)]

I hope Paradox make the announcement in a stickied, locked thread to make life easier for those of us who really don't care about other people's opinion of Steam.

Really?

You do realize that this thread would be 75% shorter if not for the storm of posts rushing to the defense of Steam?

 

[unmerged(133356)]

So, three clicks once at set up is worse than three clicks every single time you install anything ever?

Wait, what? If I'm not using something that tries to run at startup, go online by default, and auto-update by default, why would I need those "three clicks"? Or are you assuming that every game installed would be trying to add a startup item, go online, and update itself automatically?

 

[balmung60]

Really?

You do realize that this thread would be 75% shorter if not for the storm of posts rushing to the defense of Steam?

You mean like it would be without the storm of posts from people who compulsively show up to tell us that Steam is the Beast prophesized in the Revelations every single time that it is mentioned?

 

[Vokasak]

Really?

You do realize that this thread would be 75% shorter if not for the storm of posts rushing to the defense of Steam?

Defense against who? The war is over. Paradox went with Steam. Decision made.

 

[balmung60]

Wait, what? If I'm not using something that tries to run at startup, go online by default, and auto-update by default, why would I need those "three clicks"? Or are you assuming that every game installed would be trying to add a startup item, go online, and update itself automatically?

Three clicks to disable the features that you seem to hate most (start on Windows start) vs. three or more clicks to install a game from a .exe. It takes clicks to install a game, unless you navigate everything with the keyboard, which I highly doubt.

 

[unmerged(133356)]

You mean like it would be without the storm of posts from people who compulsively show up to tell us that Steam is the Beast prophesized in the Revelations every single time that it is mentioned?

Defense against who? The war is over. Paradox went with Steam. Decision made.

It's like people just see whatever they want and never bother to actually look at the history of a conversation.

1) Thread was posted that Paradox was going full-Steam-ahead.

2) Some people expressed their disappointment in that and noted that they won't switch to Steam.

3) Several people immediately went into attack mode over this egregious affront, demanding to know why anyone would not use Steam and referring to people in #2 as paranoid delusional Luddites who refuse to join the future and probably still run their games off cassette decks attached to their computers.

4) Thread becomes Steam debate.

5) People who don't like Steam are blamed for #4, despite the actual course of events.

 

[unmerged(133356)]

Three clicks to disable the features that you seem to hate most (start on Windows start) vs. three or more clicks to install a game from a .exe. It takes clicks to install a game, unless you navigate everything with the keyboard, which I highly doubt.

The steps to install the game itself between using an installer or using Steam offset and don't count, unless you're claiming that Steam can read the user's mind and downloads games on its own?

 

[bucaneer]

Yeah, no reason to hate invasive, bloated DRM-laden adware that has to be beaten down with a stick to keep it from trying to "enhance" your gaming "experience" by spamming "push content", taking over updates, trying to control install and save locations, etc, all while mining your data in order to sell it off to the world.

Let's see:

"invasive" - perhaps in a general, market-wide sense (i.e. many game publishers choose to distribute through Steam, thus requiring its installation), but it is only installed with user's consent and without resorting to underhanded tactics like, say, SecuROM rootkit DRM. Definitely not comparable to invasive malware and such.

"bloated" - fair. The client is larger than it needs to be - it would be nice if a lean, minimalistic version of Steam was available as an option.

"DRM-laden" - as far as I know, Steam does not promote its DRM, it is entirely up to the publisher to decide whether to use it or not. Paradox has spoken out against DRM on many occasions, and Steam versions of Paradox games are DRM-free.

"adware" - Steam client, when run, may show popup ads which can be easily disabled in the client settings. That's the extent of it - again, in no way comparable to malware.

"has to be beaten down with a stick" - I prefer using mouse and keyboard to adjust software settings.

"to keep it from trying to "enhance" your gaming "experience" by spamming "push content", taking over updates" - I can see why you may not want that, but to be fair you need to consider that for many (probably most) people patching software is simply busywork that they are happy to be able to automate. That is to say, if you are trying to convince people that Steam is something to hate, this argument is very likely to backfire.

"trying to control install and save locations" - fair point about install locations - even with the ability to set up multiple game library locations, Steam is still quite clumsy in this regard. Not sure what you mean about saves - at least for Paradox games, saves are located in their usual place, Steam version or not.

"all while mining your data in order to sell it off to the world" - that would be in violation of their privacy policy - you'll need evidence to support this claim.

 

[trajan]

Can we just lock this? It's making my brain explode worse than the Team Edward vs. Team Jacob debate I had to listen to my niece and her friends have, and it's nearly as useless.

 

[unmerged(133356)]

Can we just lock this? It's making my brain explode worse than the Team Edward vs. Team Jacob debate I had to listen to my niece and her friends have, and it's nearly as useless.

Are you compelled to open the thread and read it?

Or does Steam do it for you automatically? :laugh:

 

[trajan]

Are you compelled to open the thread and read it?

Yes, primarily to see how long you're going to cry over spilled milk.