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Discussion over. No reason to bother with the "Y u no Steam? U 8-track and churn butter too, lol!" arguments.

There's been a lot of generalized arguments for and against Steam in this thread. Let's instead look at the specific case of you migrating your copy of CK2 from GamersGate to Steam.

1. With GG, you needed to download and run the GG installer of CK2. It asked for your GG login information and required internet access.
- With Steam, you need to install the Steam client. It asks for your Steam login information and requires internet access. It is intended to be a multifunctional piece of software and accordingly is larger in size than the minimalistic GG installer (a full install of Steam is ~400MB), which can be seen as bloat if you don't plan to use the additional functions. However, this shouldn't be a major concern unless you have very limited disk space.

2. With GG, after installation you can launch the game without having internet access or running external third party software.
- With Steam, after installation you can launch the game without having internet access or running external third party software. No difference here.

3. With GG, the process of applying a patch would go like this: you note there's a new patch in the these forums -> you investigate and decide if you want to install the patch at this time -> you download the patch installer and click through the installation wizard -> you close the installer -> you launch the game as usual.
- With Steam, the process of applying a patch would go like this: you note there's a new patch in these forums -> you investigate and decide if you want to install the patch at this time -> you start Steam client and let it download the update -> you close Steam -> you launch the game as usual.

4. With GG, when installing a new DLC the game would require internet connection to contact GG servers and authenticate your DLC.
- With Steam, when installing a new DLC you would need to launch the game once through Steam so that the game could contact Steam servers and authenticate the DLC.

5. By default, GG sends out newsletters containing targeted advertisements based on your past purchases. This behavior is disabled by unticking a single checkbox.
- By default, Steam client opens popup windows with ads for new games on Steam store. This behavior is disabled by unticking a single checkbox.

6. To use GG, you need to provide your email address, name and personally identifiable payment and billing information. GG knows which games and DLC you have purchased and when.
- To use Steam, you need to provide your email address. Your name and personally identifiable payment and billing information are only required if you intend to make purchases directly through Steam, as opposed to other retailers that sell Steam keys, e.g. Paradox Web Shop. Steam knows which games and DLC you have purchased and when. It does not know how long you play them, or what you do while playing, or information about your computer's hardware unless you choose to always have the Steam client running and opt in to the hardware survey.

It is entirely possible that Steam won't offer any improvements for your personal usage habits and preferences. (That is to say, you will not see benefits in the additional features that other users may find useful.) However, I don't see how it would worsen your experience either - certainly not to the point where you are perfectly fine with GG but categorically against using Steam.
 

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All I really want to know is when/how GG purchasers are going to get their Steam keys. Can we debate whether or not Steam is the beast of the apocalypse on another thread?
I've got CK2 on GG and want to know from Paradox how that's going to work and rather not wade through 30 pages of the same old rehashed Intertubes rant about Steam to find out.
It's irrelevant to the issue at hand which is steam keys for GG buyers of CK2 (soon, please!). Paradox games are going to be available through steam and that ain't going to change.
 

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All I really want to know is when/how GG purchasers are going to get their Steam keys. Can we debate whether or not Steam is the beast of the apocalypse on another thread?
I've got CK2 on GG and want to know from Paradox how that's going to work and rather not wade through 30 pages of the same old rehashed Intertubes rant about Steam to find out.
It's irrelevant to the issue at hand which is steam keys for GG buyers of CK2 (soon, please!). Paradox games are going to be available through steam and that ain't going to change.

When the technical issues have been resolved.

Theres not a specific date, until they know how to fix the technical issue they wont know how long it will take.
 

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I've always been slightly confused by all the steam hate. What do people hate about it? Auto updating? You can turn that off. It also works offline. WTH do people hate about it?

Yeah, no reason to hate invasive, bloated DRM-laden adware that has to be beaten down with a stick to keep it from trying to "enhance" your gaming "experience" by spamming "push content", taking over updates, trying to control install and save locations, etc, all while mining your data in order to sell it off to the world.
 

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There's been a lot of generalized arguments for and against Steam in this thread. Let's instead look at the specific case of you migrating your copy of CK2 from GamersGate to Steam.

1. With GG, you needed to download and run the GG installer of CK2. It asked for your GG login information and required internet access.
- With Steam, you need to install the Steam client. It asks for your Steam login information and requires internet access. It is intended to be a multifunctional piece of software and accordingly is larger in size than the minimalistic GG installer (a full install of Steam is ~400MB), which can be seen as bloat if you don't plan to use the additional functions. However, this shouldn't be a major concern unless you have very limited disk space.

2. With GG, after installation you can launch the game without having internet access or running external third party software.
- With Steam, after installation you can launch the game without having internet access or running external third party software. No difference here.

3. With GG, the process of applying a patch would go like this: you note there's a new patch in the these forums -> you investigate and decide if you want to install the patch at this time -> you download the patch installer and click through the installation wizard -> you close the installer -> you launch the game as usual.
- With Steam, the process of applying a patch would go like this: you note there's a new patch in these forums -> you investigate and decide if you want to install the patch at this time -> you start Steam client and let it download the update -> you close Steam -> you launch the game as usual.

4. With GG, when installing a new DLC the game would require internet connection to contact GG servers and authenticate your DLC.
- With Steam, when installing a new DLC you would need to launch the game once through Steam so that the game could contact Steam servers and authenticate the DLC.

5. By default, GG sends out newsletters containing targeted advertisements based on your past purchases. This behavior is disabled by unticking a single checkbox.
- By default, Steam client opens popup windows with ads for new games on Steam store. This behavior is disabled by unticking a single checkbox.

6. To use GG, you need to provide your email address, name and personally identifiable payment and billing information. GG knows which games and DLC you have purchased and when.
- To use Steam, you need to provide your email address. Your name and personally identifiable payment and billing information are only required if you intend to make purchases directly through Steam, as opposed to other retailers that sell Steam keys, e.g. Paradox Web Shop. Steam knows which games and DLC you have purchased and when. It does not know how long you play them, or what you do while playing, or information about your computer's hardware unless you choose to always have the Steam client running and opt in to the hardware survey.

It is entirely possible that Steam won't offer any improvements for your personal usage habits and preferences. (That is to say, you will not see benefits in the additional features that other users may find useful.) However, I don't see how it would worsen your experience either - certainly not to the point where you are perfectly fine with GG but categorically against using Steam.

GG is far easier to control, and doesn't require me to install any additional software on my computer. It has far fewer defaults to bad actions, and saves far less information. There's a world of difference.
 

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Yeah, no reason to hate invasive, bloated DRM-laden adware that has to be beaten down with a stick to keep it from trying to "enhance" your gaming "experience" by spamming "push content", taking over updates, trying to control install and save locations, etc, all while mining your data in order to sell it off to the world.

Better uninstall Gamersgate's software then.

GG is far easier to control, and doesn't require me to install any additional software on my computer. There's a world of difference.

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Better uninstall Gamersgate's software then.

I don't have anything from GG installed on my computer, unless you mean the actual games.
 

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I have never used steam, and I'm planning to migrate to Linux, so could someone tell me whether a steam key is platform-specific or can I play the game on all three platforms with only one steam key? Thanks.
 

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I have never used steam, and I'm planning to migrate to Linux, so could someone tell me whether a steam key is platform-specific or can I play the game on all three platforms with only one steam key? Thanks.

It's not platform specific, as far as I'm aware. You should be able to play on all three platforms - downloading multiple times to different computers - with the same steam key.
 

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AMEN! Listen to him, folks who are against steam!
Uh, 15 minutes to setup a LAN game when I could do it with any of my non-steam games in 5? No thanks. That's a 300% increase in time working to get the game going. . and thats if everything goes smoothly.

If you have 2 hours to play and you spend 15-25% of your time managing the connection to the other computers you have a real design flaw. Against my better judgement, I made the mistake of buying EU IV, my first steam game, (two copies, ~$100). My biggest waste of money on a game since I bought two copies of Master of Orion III years ago. And I gave EU IV a try for quite some time.
 

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Gamersgate installers sit around by default.

Will have to double-check, but I'm pretty sure I killed it.

And I don't recall the GG's installer trying to run at Windows startup, or automatically contact the internet.
 

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GG is far easier to control, and doesn't require me to install any additional software on my computer. It has far fewer defaults to bad actions, and saves far less information.

This is mostly fair (except the use of the word "far").

There's a world of difference.

This doesn't follow. There are some incremental differences between GG and Steam and I understand why you'd prefer one over the other, but I don't see how you could call them "a world of difference". The phrase could perhaps be applied to comparisons of strictly physical vs. digital-only distribution, or open source vs. closed source software (with some allowance for hyperbole in either case), but the differences between GG and Steam in this particular case are really small.
 

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I have never used steam, and I'm planning to migrate to Linux, so could someone tell me whether a steam key is platform-specific or can I play the game on all three platforms with only one steam key? Thanks.
It is not platform specific (incidentally, one of the things about digital distribution in general that beats the pants off of 99% of physical distribution). The Steam key is for the game, and you can then install the game on any platform on which it will run, and with creative use of WINE, some that it "won't" (by tricking it into thinking that it's on another platform).

Uh, 15 minutes to setup a LAN game when I could do it with any of my non-steam games in 5? No thanks. That's a 300% increase in time working to get the game going. . and thats if everything goes smoothly.
No, that's a 200% increase. The total time is 300% of what you're saying the base time is. Calling it a 300% increase would involve double-counting the initial five minutes. Though I don't think that I've ever spent even five minutes to set up a LAN game on or off Steam.
 

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Will have to double-check, but I'm pretty sure I killed it.

And I don't recall the GG's installer trying to run at Windows startup, or automatically contact the internet.
Then switch to Linux. It's safer, protects you from having Microsoft possibly getting some of your information, doesn't even try to auto-update, and Steam doesn't even try to run on startup on Linux.
 

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Then switch to Linux. It's safer, protects you from having Microsoft possibly getting some of your information, doesn't even try to auto-update, and Steam doesn't even try to run on startup on Linux.

He won't do that. As anti-progress as he is, he won't take a step into the "compile it yourself, n00b" ways of the past.
Come to think of it, he SHOULD switch to Linux. It might give him some much-needed perspective.
 
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