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Hi all, my first time here - can someone clarify for me, do I have to keep at least 1 Holding in a County to control said county? What I mean is, I wasn't able to give the Mayorship of one of my cities to any one in my court, and the only reason I can think of is because it is the primary holding in the County. I've never had any problems giving such titles away before (when I've stripped it from someone else). The wikis are explict where this is concerned, that I could find...

Appreciate the help!
 

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Hi all, my first time here - can someone clarify for me, do I have to keep at least 1 Holding in a County to control said county? What I mean is, I wasn't able to give the Mayorship of one of my cities to any one in my court, and the only reason I can think of is because it is the primary holding in the County. I've never had any problems giving such titles away before (when I've stripped it from someone else). The wikis are explict where this is concerned, that I could find...

Appreciate the help!

It sounds to me like you're quite confused, and I'm not totally sure the problem you are having is what you think... so I'm going to just throw out some explanations and hopefully something I say gets at what you are trying to describe. =)

You can only give away titles you already control. You won't be able to give that city away to anyone unless you hold the title to the CITY itself, regardless of who controls the county. If you do not hold the top-level holding in a county, you do not control the county directly but that does not dictate what other titles you might hold or give away. Note that you could, in fact, own a city in a county held by someone else, and that someone else could be either your vassal or totally independent of you.

You can only revoke titles of your direct vassals. That means that if you are a Duke and you have a count under you, you cannot go around revoking his barons' and his mayors' titles. That doesn't mean the land is no longer a part of your realm, it just means you no longer control every aspect of its governance. That's the feudal system. Note that you can still imprison dishonorable and plotting sub-vassals.

If you are only a count and you give away the county, that new count becomes independent of you. If you are a Duke and you give away a county, the lower vassals will become subservient to the count. You will no longer be able revoke the mayor's title.

If a city is a primary holding of a county, you will have a count-level mayor called a "Lord Mayor." If you happen to hold that title, you'll get a wrong-holding penalty as a feudal lord. If you give away the county to a courtier, you'll create a new Lord Mayor. Otherwise, it works just as it always would. However, if you wanted to keep the title, you could revoke the baron's castle and, as you are a feudal lord, the castle would immediately swap to become the primary holding. You could then give away the city, creating a regular baron-tier mayor and keep the county title.

Finally, if you are a Hindu, there are additional restrictions. You can only give holdings to members of the proper caste. Cities must be ruled by merchant castes, Castles by the noble caste, and temples by the priestly caste.

If none of this gets at what you are facing, let me know... try describing it in a bit more detail.
 
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It sounds to me like you're quite confused, and I'm not totally sure the problem you are having is what you think... so I'm going to just throw out some explanations and hopefully something I say gets at what you are trying to describe. =)

You can only give away titles you already control. You won't be able to give that city away to anyone unless you hold the title to the CITY itself, regardless of who controls the county. If you do not hold the top-level holding in a county, you do not control the county directly but that does not dictate what other titles you might hold or give away. Note that you could, in fact, own a city in a county held by someone else, and that someone else could be either your vassal or totally independent of you.

You can only revoke titles of your direct vassals. That means that if you are a Duke and you have a count under you, you cannot go around revoking his barons' and his mayors' titles. That doesn't mean the land is no longer a part of your realm, it just means you no longer control every aspect of its governance. That's the feudal system. Note that you can still imprison dishonorable and plotting sub-vassals.

If you are only a count and you give away the county, that new count becomes independent of you. If you are a Duke and you give away a county, the lower vassals will become subservient to the count. You will no longer be able revoke the mayor's title.

If a city is a primary holding of a county, you will have a count-level mayor called a "Lord Mayor." If you happen to hold that title, you'll get a wrong-holding penalty as a feudal lord. If you give away the county to a courtier, you'll create a new Lord Mayor. Otherwise, it works just as it always would. However, if you wanted to keep the title, you could revoke the baron's castle and, as you are a feudal lord, the castle would immediately swap to become the primary holding. You could then give away the city, creating a regular baron-tier mayor and keep the county title.

Finally, if you are a Hindu, there are additional restrictions. You can only give holdings to members of the proper caste. Cities must be ruled by merchant castes, Castles by the noble caste, and temples by the priestly caste.

If none of this gets at what you are facing, let me know... try describing it in a bit more detail.

Pretty sure that's not my problem. So, more detail, as you say - I started as the Petty King of Cornwall, which includes Cornwall and Devon. I fought a war against Wessex for the County of Somerset, which I won. I revoked the title of the Mayor of the city in Somerset (I don't recall the name) but gave away the title to the *Castle* holding (unintentionally) to a deserving council member, which unless I'm mistaken was what caused the city to become the primary holding. In any case, my king owns the title to said city and I don't understand why I can't award it to whomever pleases me. Hope that helps you help me. :)
 

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but gave away the title to the *Castle* holding (unintentionally) to a deserving council member, which unless I'm mistaken was what caused the city to become the primary holding

The city becomes the primary holding when its mayor is given the castle holding, so your councillor would have had been the mayor in that county.

In any case, my king owns the title to said city and I don't understand why I can't award it to whomever pleases me. Hope that helps you help me. :)

There are some cases where you cannot grant a title to a specific individual. For instance, I don't think you can grant a city or temple to a landless heir (any heir not just yours). Also, gavelkind has a whole set of restrictions related to those in line of succession.
 

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There are some cases where you cannot grant a title to a specific individual. For instance, I don't think you can grant a city or temple to a landless heir (any heir not just yours). Also, gavelkind has a whole set of restrictions related to those in line of succession.

After I discovered the problem, I tried giving the city away to many individuals in my court, so it's not about the particular person. I currently have Primogeniture.

Let me rephrase the question - can any individual own title to a County, without also owning title to at least one of it's Holdings?
 

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Let me rephrase the question - can any individual own title to a County, without also owning title to at least one of it's Holdings?

Holdings in a county are divided into two categories: the capital holding and the subholdings. Owning the county means owning the capital holding. It is very possible for the character who owns the capital holding to not own any subholdings and in fact is the usual case as subholdings are usually owned by baron-tier vassals. Characters who are not vassals of the County owner can also own the subholdings and these characters can even be from foreign realms.

What makes it sound like you are confused at some level is that you've said the city became the primary holding of Somerset. This is impossible if you are holding the city yourself, unless you are a republic.

At any rate, I don't understand either how you would be unable to give away the city. Can you right click on it and use the "create new vassal" button?
 

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What makes it sound like you are confused at some level is that you've said the city became the primary holding of Somerset. This is impossible if you are holding the city yourself,

I quote this particular part for emphasis. Aitaituo is correct: If you own both city and castle and the Count title for a county as a feudal lord, the castle WILL BE (no caveat) the capital holding. You cannot (again, no caveat) give away a capital holding without giving away the title to the County. The exact process you describe is quite impossible.

You could, on the other hand, give away the county to someone and end up with a city under a county held by someone else.

If that happened, you should still be able to give away the city. Have you tried giving your city away to the current owner of the county?

You are not in prison, under a regency, or in some other strange circumstance? Regencies cannot do as they please in all cases...
 

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Holdings in a county are divided into two categories: the capital holding and the subholdings. Owning the county means owning the capital holding. It is very possible for the character who owns the capital holding to not own any subholdings and in fact is the usual case as subholdings are usually owned by baron-tier vassals. Characters who are not vassals of the County owner can also own the subholdings and these characters can even be from foreign realms.

What makes it sound like you are confused at some level is that you've said the city became the primary holding of Somerset. This is impossible if you are holding the city yourself, unless you are a republic.

At any rate, I don't understand either how you would be unable to give away the city. Can you right click on it and use the "create new vassal" button?

Well, you've answered my question though. The city was the capital holding and I couldn't give it away without also giving away the county. How the city became the capital holding is explained above. I was not able to use the "create new vassal" button until I did also stripped the castle holding from my vassal, and when I did so, the castle holding was restored to capital holding status. And yes, I did have the "wrong-holding" message, and should've mentioned it sooner ( probably would've tipped you all off ) . Sorry about that. Thank you all for your help!
 

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So, i just started a game as a patrician in Venice in 867 after i got bored of my 769 Britannia campaign, i might still go back to that one though to do what i wanted to do and unite all of Britannia and create a viceroy only Britannia with all the kindgoms and then release Hispania as an independent and same with Hungary.
But what i would like to ask about is, what intresting things are there to do as a republic? I started with a ruler designed character with loads of Stewardship and then he died later on and i was in a regency for 7 years, but so far ive only been fast forwarding and taking some trade posts and upgraded the palace and then the trade posts. Im not finding this that engaging, should i have maybe started in a different republic or different start? Or is there anything more fun to republics?
 

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Any advantage to having a vassal Pentarch as Orthodox? I'm King of Africa within the Bynzantine Empire and just conquered Alexandria so my religious head just changed - not sure if keeping Alexandria is all that important. Does anything really change game play wise other than my head is different? Also, noticed that the religious head in the Duchy of Alger (not part of Africa) is a Bishop (apparently random) in Tunisia - why is that?
 

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Do AI Rulers not join Holy Wars on the defender's side if the war score is over a certain amount - like 50?

Any advantage to having a vassal Pentarch as Orthodox? I'm King of Africa within the Bynzantine Empire and just conquered Alexandria so my religious head just changed - not sure if keeping Alexandria is all that important. Does anything really change game play wise other than my head is different? Also, noticed that the religious head in the Duchy of Alger (not part of Africa) is a Bishop (apparently random) in Tunisia - why is that?

I am unaware of any effect of current warscore on the AI's decision to join wars/accept calls to arms.

You can only ever have one religious head (determined primarily by your capital location when you are orthodox) and you can only request special actions of your own religious head, so having a second pentarch as a direct vassal just deprives other characters from having a puppet religious head in that particular patriarchate. For Orthodox (and other religions that use the Pentarch mechanic) characters, if a king exists their court chaplain is the autocephalous patriarch of that de jure kingdom, unless the kingdom is specifically assigned to a particular Pentarchate that currently exists.

That...may be a little confusingly worded. If you need clarification, I'll fully write up how religious heads are assigned for Orthodoxy.
 

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This possibly a modding question, but thought I might as well ask here first.

Is it possible to 'lock' your vassals into using the same succession law as you? I haven't seen any way to do this and it would be nice to have. Particularly at High/Absolute Crown Authority it seem reasonable that the king would expect everyone else in the kingdom to use the same kind of succession.
 

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This possibly a modding question, but thought I might as well ask here first.

Is it possible to 'lock' your vassals into using the same succession law as you? I haven't seen any way to do this and it would be nice to have. Particularly at High/Absolute Crown Authority it seem reasonable that the king would expect everyone else in the kingdom to use the same kind of succession.

In Vanilla, no. Might be worth asking as a mod question though.
 

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I read the wiki too, it seems that the only change is now I go to Alexandria for Excommunication and Divorces and having a Pentarch as a direct vassal just allows me more interaction with him in case we're not on good terms. I could appoint a new one if I revoke his title for instance. Other than that I don't see a difference since a "puppet" orthodox religious head doesn't have any other powers. Seems really easy to get excommunication as orthodox in this game - he's always accepted, doesn't seem to require negative opinion.
 

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Seems really easy to get excommunication as orthodox in this game - he's always accepted, doesn't seem to require negative opinion.

Ah, but it DOES require you to be under the same religious head. That's not trivial as Orthodox since there are the five pentarchy patriarchs AND autocephalous patriarchs for all kingdoms. As Byzantine emperor, it often means you can only excommunicate Greek dukes.