Crusader Kings II ~ Quick Answers

[djrice247]

Few more questions:

1) What determines whether a mayor's children succeed him for the city title? It happens sometimes and not others and it seems random. I would say I think it only happens with established dynasty characters that are granted the city title and not the randomly generated lowborn characters that the city title normally produces.

2) What determines if you have the option of starting a faction supporting a character (hopefully you) in a kingdom or empire? Members of the ruling family are covered and so are various members of the ruling family's dynasty. However, occasionally there is an option to support a claim from a character that is from a dynasty separate from the ruling dynasty and from a dynasty that has never held the title in question. I used to think that unusually powerful vassals would apply, but I eliminated that possibility via test.

3) why are orthodox bishops not appoint-able? There is not even an option where the religion head will consider a candidate you select.

 

[djrice247]

Okay, something really strange has been going on with my succession to the Roman Empire.

So, I set up the Roman Empire. I have two sons. Both born in the purple, not bastards, everything's normal with them, agnatic-cogntic primogeniture. Naturally my older son is going to inherit everything.

When I set up the Roman Empire, my older son becomes the heir to the Roman Empire, but my younger son all of a sudden becomes heir to everything else - my kingdom, duchies, counties, etc. Why?

Well, I'm not sure what's going on, so I just kill the younger son and my older son inherits. But then another odd thing happens.

I marry, my wife produces 4 daughters. I divorce my wife and remarry, she produces a daughter. The 5th daughter all of a sudden becomes the heir to the Roman Empire and all of my duchies, but my oldest daughter remains the heir to the Kingdom of Bulgaria.

So, can anyone explain what's going on here?

You probably have a situation where the Roman Empire is primogeniture and all your kingdom titles are gravelkind. That would explain the first part. With the 5th daughter I am guessing that wife #1 produced the first 4 daughters prior to you taking the throne or creating the title. That would mean the 5th daughter would be born in the purple and have precedence. The fact that the oldest daughter still gets some titles could again be a situation where the lower level titles are gravelkind. Now, if the daughter issue is occurring at the same time as the the issue with the sons, i.e., the 2 sons and five daughters all exist at once in one generation, then I cannot explain it. The males should take precedence over the females always. Female precedence succession is not available to the culture(s)/religion that are allowed to form the Roman Empire in the game.

 

[GCRust]

So, newbie ruler question.

I went ahead and created the Kingdom of Ireland. I am now King of Ireland and Duke of Tara. I passed the Duke of Munster title to my Nephew, which offset immediate Vassal dislike.

Am I correct in assuming my newfound Vassals (Once Ulster and the Duke of Lanester get out of their wars, that is) will not take kindly to me creating the Dutchy of Connacht and Ulster and holding them? Similarly, which are the titles worth hanging on to and which are better to be passed around?

I definitely want to keep the Dutchy of Connacht (As Connacht is my home county), but should I also keep the Dutchy of Tara, since that was effectively the Petty Kingdom of Tara? I can punt Ulster to my cousin ruling Oriel.

I'm just curious which titles I should keep and what I can pass around to keep vassals happy.

Speaking of keeping Vassals happy, prior to creating the Kingdom of Ireland, I instituted Minimum Feudal Tax, and now I'm contemplating Minimum Crown Authority to give me more troops to start aggressive expansion into Britain if I so choose. Would I have issues keeping a lid on my vassals if I did that?

 

[Tom013]

Few more questions:

1) What determines whether a mayor's children succeed him for the city title? It happens sometimes and not others and it seems random. I would say I think it only happens with established dynasty characters that are granted the city title and not the randomly generated lowborn characters that the city title normally produces.

It's not really that random. If they have an adult male in their court they generally get the title. Typically, mayors don't marry and they don't end up with anyone else in their court either. Lord mayors don't often marry either, though they do more often end up with folks in their courts. If you land an already married member of a major dynasty, they're likely to have children and if those children are adults in the court when the old mayor dies, they seem to get the title.

2) What determines if you have the option of starting a faction supporting a character (hopefully you) in a kingdom or empire? Members of the ruling family are covered and so are various members of the ruling family's dynasty. However, occasionally there is an option to support a claim from a character that is from a dynasty separate from the ruling dynasty and from a dynasty that has never held the title in question. I used to think that unusually powerful vassals would apply, but I eliminated that possibility via test.

Claimant through a mother? Also, all eligible candidates in an electoral monarchy can be supported as all eligible candidates have a claim of a sort. Basically: it's ALL claimants.

3) why are orthodox bishops not appoint-able? There is not even an option where the religion head will consider a candidate you select.

Do you want a game design or historical rationalization for this? I don't have it, but this is the mechanic. The "request" Pope part was added in SoA -- before that, it was strictly investiture-based.

 

[the kookaburra]

Just changed to the steam version of the game and bought Sons of Abraham.

The list of your titles in the "grant a title" screen used to be listed in rank order (King before duke) and in order of holding owned the longest.
Now the order is random (or a system I have not noticed).
Am I missing a setting or something?

 

[tamius23]

No, it was broken. It's been fixed in the opt-in beta patch, 2.1.5.6.

 

[djrice247]

What determines if AI landed AI females enter into matrilineal marriages or regular ones? Specifically in regards to landed independent females from your dynasty. If you give out titles to your dynasty it is pretty common for some of the lines to die out and the titles revert to other dynasties. In many cases the member of your dynasty ruling the title just fails to produce a male heir. I have seen landed AI females of my dynasty enter into matrilineal marriages so as to further dynasty control of the title. However, at the same time I often see a landed dynasty member with all female children simply marry off all his daughters to other dynasties in regular marriages. The choice does not seem to matter on the importance of the title (I've seen the AI controlling the ERE do it) or the prestige of your dynasty (in one game my dynasty was entering into regular marriages enver though it was far and away the most prestigious and could likely entice noble men based on the prestige boost alone).

 

[StephenT]

Am I correct in assuming my newfound Vassals (Once Ulster and the Duke of Lanester get out of their wars, that is) will not take kindly to me creating the Dutchy of Connacht and Ulster and holding them? Similarly, which are the titles worth hanging on to and which are better to be passed around?

You can hold two Duke titles safely. Each one after that will give your vassals a negative opinion modifier. Also, if you only hold some of the counties in a duchy, the other earls in that duchy will want the duke title themselves, and have a negative modifier against you.

These negative modifiers aren't huge, so you can live with them if it suits your strategy; but if your ruler is very unpopular for other reasons, they can be enough to push you over the edge into facing rebellion.

Criteria for choosing a duchy:

• An obvious one: ruling two 2-county duchies, if you control them entirely, will give you a demesne of four counties. Ruling two 3-county duchies gives you a demesne of 6... (Which is great as long as your demesne limit is high enough to cope with that.)
• A county with lots of baronies will be more valuable, once they're all built, than one with only 2 or 3 slots.
• A county that's already built up with infrastructure saves you money compared to having to build it up from scratch.
• Having all your land together in a cluster mean that when you raise your levies, you can concentrate them quickly into an army. That matters less if you get mos of your military power from retinues and mercenaries. It's also more applicable to vast, sprawling realms that take weeks to march across, than to tiny Ireland.
• I'm not sure if there are game advantages to having your capital in the 'historical' capital county of that kingdom, but you might want to do that for roleplaying reasons.

Speaking of keeping Vassals happy, prior to creating the Kingdom of Ireland, I instituted Minimum Feudal Tax, and now I'm contemplating Minimum Crown Authority to give me more troops to start aggressive expansion into Britain if I so choose. Would I have issues keeping a lid on my vassals if I did that?

Medium or High Crown Authority is probably best. Vassal loyalty shouldn't normally be a problem unless you go in for a lot of tyranny, revoking titles and so forth; or if your character has a lot of negative traits; or if you're a new ruler with an insecure claim.

Even then, you can bribe, hand out titles, use your chancellor to make them like you, or if necessary let them rebel, crush them and seize their lands.

 

[Kurblius]

Is it normal for my military tech to lag behind my economy and culture techs? Both of the latter are pushing the 30% penalty for ahead of tech, but I'm about 2 levels behind in everything military. I note that there doesn't seem to be any kind of buildings to acquire military points. I just learned from searching the topic that you have to put your military advisor outside your demense in order to get military tech point events. I know you get points for battles - but I'm constantly at war. My rulers and military advisors generally have decent military stats. Am I missing anything else?

 

[Stolen Rutters]

Is it normal for my military tech to lag behind my economy and culture techs? Both of the latter are pushing the 30% penalty for ahead of tech, but I'm about 2 levels behind in everything military. I note that there doesn't seem to be any kind of buildings to acquire military points. I just learned from searching the topic that you have to put your military adviser outside your demesne in order to get military tech point events. I know you get points for battles - but I'm constantly at war. My rulers and military advisers generally have decent military stats. Am I missing anything else?

Yes it's normal for mil-tech to lag once you build the tech buildings. Military tech has no buildings so it is at a long term advantage compared to the other two tech groups.

I am not aware of any way to keep military tech caught up with the other two later in the game. Concentrating on martial stat rulers might help but I don't think that will be enough.

 

[Kurblius]

Thanks. Another question. Under agnostic-cognitive Primogeniture, if I am a male ruler, and I have two sons, the eldest son inherits. But what if my eldest son dies, leaving me with a grandson? Does my younger son inherit or does my grandson?

 

[Wezqu]

Thanks. Another question. Under agnostic-cognitive Primogeniture, if I am a male ruler, and I have two sons, the eldest son inherits. But what if my eldest son dies, leaving me with a grandson? Does my younger son inherit or does my grandson?

Its Agnatic-Cognative Primongeniture. I don't think succession laws have anything to do with agnostics. With that succession law it always goes oldest son first then when he inherites next in line is his oldest son or daughter if he has no sons. So the children of the son who inherited goes before the siblings of the son who inherited. Still if a younger daughter gets a son and the older one doesn't she becomes the heir over the older one. Thats the only exception to the rule.

So heres an example. You have father who has two sons and a daughter first son has a son. Father also has two sisters the older has a daughter and the younger sister has a son. So the inheritance goes like this. Father -> son1 -> son1's son -> son2 -> daughter -> sister2 -> sister2's son -> sister1 -> sister1's daughter.

In Agnatic Primongeniture it would go just father -> son1 -> son1's son -> son2 as there is no brothers and females and their childrens can't inherite.

 

[LACKADAISICAL]

What does OPM mean? I hear people using it to describe weak realms in CK2 and EU4, but I don't know what it stands for. One Province something?

 

[SovereignGrave]

What does OPM mean? I hear people using it to describe weak realms in CK2 and EU4, but I don't know what it stands for. One Province something?

One Province Minor. It's a realm with only a single province/county.

 

[localgavelkind]

Is the arbitrary trait inherited or taught? My rulers keep on getting arbitrary when they turn sixteen, and it is getting annoying.
How long does it take for culture conversation? Dublin for me is still Norse (albeit it is shaded) after more than 100 years, but northern Scotland went full on Irish (from norse) less than fifty years after conquest, same when I conquered Thunguria and Baden (German and Frankish now. Lost em a while back).
As the Irish Queen of Ireland, I married a Mande Prince of Mali. How come two of the kids use the African picture pack, but the third kid portrait looks like it is from the Turkish picture pack?
Also, to answer a question, the grant title list is alphabetical. Since I just got into the game, I can't tell you if it is patch or not.

 

[indalecio248]

Is the arbitrary trait inherited or taught? My rulers keep on getting arbitrary when they turn sixteen, and it is getting annoying.
How long does it take for culture conversation? Dublin for me is still Norse (albeit it is shaded) after more than 100 years, but northern Scotland went full on Irish (from norse) less than fifty years after conquest, same when I conquered Thunguria and Baden (German and Frankish now. Lost em a while back).
As the Irish Queen of Ireland, I married a Mande Prince of Mali. How come two of the kids use the African picture pack, but the third kid portrait looks like it is from the Turkish picture pack?
Also, to answer a question, the grant title list is alphabetical. Since I just got into the game, I can't tell you if it is patch or not.

Arbitrary should be taught or not, but can appear at random.

Culture conversion depends on the stewardship of the ruler of the province, so high stewardship rulers will sometime get a rare event where the culture changes.

 

[Candinho]

Temples have more garrison and more fort level than cities, why the hints say that temples are harder to defend?

 

[JonStryker]

Temples have more garrison and more fort level than cities, why the hints say that temples are harder to defend?

More levies? Have you ever tried to siege down a city in Andalucia?

 

[Rokh]

So, I don't know why, but a vassal king is upset with me because he wants control of some baronies in his capital province. The problem is, I have nothing to do with that! Those baronies are held by some random vassals of his, not me!

Is this a bug or something? Because the -25*3 malus is quite a pain in the butt.

 

[Tom013]

As the Irish Queen of Ireland, I married a Mande Prince of Mali. How come two of the kids use the African picture pack, but the third kid portrait looks like it is from the Turkish picture pack?

The way the game genetics and graphics work, two very different graphics groups (for some in-game definition I don't know) can result in some sort of intermediate group (this used to be the Arab group, but it seems to have expanded with the addition of more and more graphics packs). This is pretty typical. There is, of course, the possibility that there's another man involved as well.

Also, to answer a question, the grant title list is alphabetical. Since I just got into the game, I can't tell you if it is patch or not.

It is the recent patch, an accident due to some other places titles were re-sorted, and it will be reverted. It IS reverted in the most recent beta if anyone is in a hurry.

So, I don't know why, but a vassal king is upset with me because he wants control of some baronies in his capital province. The problem is, I have nothing to do with that! Those baronies are held by some random vassals of his, not me!

Is this a bug or something? Because the -25*3 malus is quite a pain in the butt.

Are you sure they aren't held by some random vassal of yours? This is typically what happens, particularly if you grant the county before you grant the lowest tier holdings. Those guys may serve you. Look under "Transfer Vassalage" and see if those baronies show up in that list.