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As it happens, the Abbasid Caliph is also the Arabian Empire title holder. So, to reiterate: will I be better off conquering the Abissynians, then the Arab Empire, and usurping the Arab title firstN to make Abissynia my secondary title, as opposed to forming Abissynia before claiming Arabia?

De jure levy penalties only apply to vassals. For your personal holdings, you will still get the capital county/duchy bonus based on de facto capital and not de jure. Additionally, any of your lands outside your capital duchy are 100% levy modifier, no matter where they are, so that's all strictly bonus anyway. If most of your LIEGE LEVIES are drawn from the de jure Arabian Empire (i.e. your best vassal counties are there), then you might be hurt -- assuming your current primary kingdom is de jure Arabian Empire right now.
 

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Thanks so much, that makes a lot of sense. So basically when it comes to these stray people that I invite to my court, I have the option of:

1. Landing them and then pressing the claim right away (as per your #4)
2. Marrying them matrilineally and then pressing a generation later. Does he need to be landed in this case?

No, not if he's of your Dynasty. I didn't know about #3 - does that one work if you are say an Emperor and the title is dejure of one of your vassals?
 

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De jure levy penalties only apply to vassals. For your personal holdings, you will still get the capital county/duchy bonus based on de facto capital and not de jure. Additionally, any of your lands outside your capital duchy are 100% levy modifier, no matter where they are, so that's all strictly bonus anyway. If most of your LIEGE LEVIES are drawn from the de jure Arabian Empire (i.e. your best vassal counties are there), then you might be hurt -- assuming your current primary kingdom is de jure Arabian Empire right now.

Thank you kindly!
 

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If most of your LIEGE LEVIES are drawn from the de jure Arabian Empire (i.e. your best vassal counties are there), then you might be hurt -- assuming your current primary kingdom is de jure Arabian Empire right now.

Wait, so it's the primary title that matters regarding liege levies ?

Wiki:http://www.ckiiwiki.com/Levies
Liege Levy Modifier is a modifier based on the location of a vassal capital within the top liege de jure capital realm. It was introduced with Patch 2.0 to represent the lower authority of a ruler over vassals located in non de jure part of the realm.

I was under the impression that the "within the top liege de jure capital realm" means the dejure realm from the persepctive of the capital location, regardless of your title.
Such as if West-Francia is your (primary or not) title , while you have your capital in dejure Aquitaine, say Poitou, that then the modifier goes by that and West-Francia belongs to the "Capital empire" part.
I had hoped that i didn't mix it up with the 'Personal Levy', but i'm not so sure now. :huh:
Hmm....need to check in-game again.
 

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I was under the impression that the "within the top liege de jure capital realm" means the dejure realm from the persepctive of the capital location, regardless of your title.
Such as if West-Francia is your (primary or not) title , while you have your capital in dejure Aquitaine, say Poitou, that then the modifier goes by that and West-Francia belongs to the "Capital empire" part.
I had hoped that i didn't mix it up with the 'Personal Levy', but i'm not so sure now. :huh:
Hmm....need to check in-game again.

No, I think you're right. Mis-thought. It should be all based on de facto capital. So he should see no impact at all unless he moves his capital to the new de jure empire, in which case it will impact his liege levies. My mistake.

(Can't check in-game right now, so let me know if my mistake turns out to be true. :D)
 

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I just tried giving 2 of my sons a temple in hope of disqualifying them. But it went to some random priest instead and not hit. Is it because the sons already have other non-temple titles? meaning if I want to disqualify a son I have to give him a temple first?
 

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I just tried giving 2 of my sons a temple in hope of disqualifying them. But it went to some random priest instead and not hit. Is it because the sons already have other non-temple titles? meaning if I want to disqualify a son I have to give him a temple first?

Yes. Since they have other (feudal) titles already, they're now feudal rulers. Giving them a temple makes them a feudal ruler with a temple, so they give it away, as the AI does not like to keep holdings where it would get a "wrong government type" penalty.
 

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So as Emperor I tried to retract a vassal from a King. He declared war. When I won the war he was in prison and all other vassals have the -10 for retraction - but that's it. The vassal is still his and and I can't freely revoke any titles. What gives? Seems like no point unless it's Yes to vassal retraction. Am I missing something?
 

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So as Emperor I tried to retract a vassal from a King. He declared war. When I won the war he was in prison and all other vassals have the -10 for retraction - but that's it. The vassal is still his and and I can't freely revoke any titles. What gives? Seems like no point unless it's Yes to vassal retraction. Am I missing something?

Probably not working as intended if that's the case. However, you can probably revoke his King title for free now (as he is a traitor).
 

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Probably not working as intended if that's the case. However, you can probably revoke his King title for free now (as he is a traitor).

Nope, not a traitor either. The only advantage is I imprisoned him with less loss of relations everywhere. In fact if I release him from Prison he'll be friendlier to me than before due to a +25 Crushed Revolt modifier.
 

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Nope, not a traitor either. The only advantage is I imprisoned him with less loss of relations everywhere. In fact if I release him from Prison he'll be friendlier to me than before due to a +25 Crushed Revolt modifier.

Probably a bug, or at least not working as intended. Bug report it perhaps?
 

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Hi,

When I raise my personnal levies, there are always a few men left (I can't raise the total number). Why is that?

Thanks

Do you do it while the game is paused and then check before you unpause? It's likely that you don't have 100% replenished levies in all of your holdings and so they replenish a little more after you raise them. Those few men can't join their buddies in the field until you lower the group from that holding and then re-raise it.
 

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Do you do it while the game is paused and then check before you unpause? It's likely that you don't have 100% replenished levies in all of your holdings and so they replenish a little more after you raise them. Those few men can't join their buddies in the field until you lower the group from that holding and then re-raise it.

My levies are fully replenished. For example: in one desmene I have 950 men, but when I raise my levies, I get only something like 875 and the 75 others are still in my desmene (there's still some green in the levy bar).
 

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Question if this is WAD.

When a King loses all his counties the game automatically grants him one of his vassals counties, right? Is this limited to only within his de jure borders of his Kingdom title?

I just pressed a Duchy claim against the King of Asturias for the Duchy of Asturias. He only had one county himself and 1/3 of his kingdom was in de jure Galicia:

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However, after enforcing demands he became a vassal of mine and I received Santiago for free even though it was outside my wargoal. I simply got it because the count of Santiago was a vassal to the King of Asturias - who is now my vassal.

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I was under the impression that he would 'hijack' the county of Santiago and remain independent - a single county King of Asturias. Did this not happen because Santiago isn't de jure part of Asturias? And just to clarify since it's confusing due to the names: I was claiming the Duchy, not the Kingdom. The Duchy and the Kingdom share the same name which makes it a little annoying to explain.
 
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My levies are fully replenished. For example: in one desmene I have 950 men, but when I raise my levies, I get only something like 875 and the 75 others are still in my desmene (there's still some green in the levy bar).

Are you a vassal? If so then part of your levy is reserved for your liege to call up.