You're right, I wasn't talking about the "Pagan Subjugation" CB. I was talking about the "Tribal Invasion" because I assumed that's what the Hungarians would be doing. Are they really using Pagan Subjugation? As the CB code for subjugation says: Hungarians are Horde Culture and should be using "Tribal Invasion" which can be used against anyone, and religious conversion will never save you. Or did the Hungarians somehow culture convert along the way as well?
Horde culture is defined in cultures.txt as being just Mongol and Aztec. The code for the tribal invasion CB is
Code:
can_use_title = {
ROOT = {
OR = {
AND = {
independent = yes
OR = {
religion_group = pagan_group
AND = {
OR = {
has_horde_culture = yes
has_character_flag = horde_invader
}
NOT = { religion_group = christian }
}
}
OR = {
culture_group = altaic
culture_group = magyar
culture_group = mesoamerican
}
higher_tier_than = COUNT
OR = {
has_horde_culture = yes
has_character_flag = horde_invader
FROM = {
NOT = { religion_group = pagan_group } [b]# Should subjugate these instead[/b]
}
}
}
AND = {
mercenary = yes
NOT = {
num_of_titles = 2
}
}
}
}
The question WAS about Subjugation CB, not about Tribal Invasion. They have normal Subjugation CB against any other pagans.
Unfortunately, I don't think I can tell just using the code available in cb_types. I'm not particularly experienced with that file and I can't find any explicit references to how to invalidate a war. As an example, Holy War as, e.g. a Catholic, is invalidated if the target becomes Catholic (or Orthodox or Miaphysite). But when TOG was released, a Muslim invasion - which can only be declared against non-Muslims -
wouldn't invalidate if the target converted to Islam. This led to bizarre situations where Sunnis were invading other Sunnis in what was supposed to be a religious war - the tooltip says something along the lines of "our enemy being of a different faith is a just reason for war". It also helped kill off the West Africans too early, as the Idrisids or (more likely) the Umayyads would use the invasion CB on the pagans. They'd abandon their pagan ways and embrace Islam in order to stay on the map, but the Arabs would dispossess them of their land anyway.
I could, using the game, start, pick a pagan character, attempt to subjugate someone else, then save, switch to them and convert them to Christianity, but you can do that just as well yourself.
