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Okay, I checked. I can claim for a small piety cost individual dukedoms to an excommunicated fellow

1)With a claim, will I get a tyranny malus ?
2)If I remove all dukedoms from a kingdom, can I usurp the title from a vassal ?
 

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Okay, I checked. I can claim for a small piety cost individual dukedoms to an excommunicated fellow

1)With a claim, will I get a tyranny malus ?
2)If I remove all dukedoms from a kingdom, can I usurp the title from a vassal ?

1. If I recall correctly a claim on a title allows you to revoke it for free.
2. No, I don't believe you're allowed to usurp titles from your vassals. Maybe if you have a strong claim, but wait for someone else to answer just to be safe.
 

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Crusade inheritance question:

When there's a crusade for a kingdom, like France, for example, I know the person with the best claim who is Catholic will get the territory when the crusade is over. My question is - how is it determined who becomes liege of that territory?

I have two recent examples in mind. The first is England, which got crusaded when it went Lollard. When the crusade finished, me, playing Aragon, got control of the land, because one of my counts was the guy who had the claim. The Kingdom of England disappeared but I could re-create it. Why did my count not become an independent King of England and instead stayed as my vassal even though I'm just a king?

Second example - France got crusaded because the ruler was Fraticelli. At the time the crusade happened, France also held the Kingdom of Leon. During the crusade it kept saying one of my bishops had the best claim and would get the land, and I also lead the points for the crusade. When it was done, it somehow all went to Denmark. I got nothing. Funny enough, now France owns no land in France itself, but the King of France is still there with a lot of land in Leon. I own about half of France and will have to poach it from the Danes (which is easier than the French, since the Danes are now a three county realm in their home turf). Why did it go to Denmark???

Can't quite figure out the crusades inheritance mechanic.
 

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Last question, I'm an Emperor, and I have a vassal who managed to get his grubby hands on two other kingdoms. What would be the best way to separate those kingdoms from him ?

1. Check his inheritance laws. Just waiting for some time or assassinating him may be sufficient.
2. If you can, plot to revoke just anything from him. He refuses, rebells, and if you win you get that and free revocation.
3. Excommunicate him, then imprison with low chance of success. He will evade imprisonment and when he surrenders he'll be considered traitor.
 

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1. Check his inheritance laws. Just waiting for some time or assassinating him may be sufficient.
2. If you can, plot to revoke just anything from him. He refuses, rebells, and if you win you get that and free revocation.
3. Excommunicate him, then imprison with low chance of success. He will evade imprisonment and when he surrenders he'll be considered traitor.

Matrilineally marry his second-in-line to the throne, kill his heir, fix your heirs so your daughter's son becomes your heir. Problem solved.
 

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Is it possible to "Convert to Attacker's Religion" when you're under a liege? In my case, I'm a Zoro duke of Turkestan under a Tengri Sultan of Turkestan (thank Ahura Mazda the kingdom's de-jure capital is in Syr Darja :p) who's in a miserable state because AI formed a second kingdom under gavelkind and inevitably broke apart. A Holy War from Samanid Khiva and its 8k doomstack hasn't been declared yet, but I know it will come - and might well be targetting my (only newly gained) duchy. The thing is: I'd rather be temporarily Sunni than dead. So can I just play along and only convert when absolutely necessary or should I have a look at the factions tab rather sooner than later?
 

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Crusade inheritance question:

When there's a crusade for a kingdom, like France, for example, I know the person with the best claim who is Catholic will get the territory when the crusade is over. My question is - how is it determined who becomes liege of that territory?

I have two recent examples in mind. The first is England, which got crusaded when it went Lollard. When the crusade finished, me, playing Aragon, got control of the land, because one of my counts was the guy who had the claim. The Kingdom of England disappeared but I could re-create it. Why did my count not become an independent King of England and instead stayed as my vassal even though I'm just a king?

Second example - France got crusaded because the ruler was Fraticelli. At the time the crusade happened, France also held the Kingdom of Leon. During the crusade it kept saying one of my bishops had the best claim and would get the land, and I also lead the points for the crusade. When it was done, it somehow all went to Denmark. I got nothing. Funny enough, now France owns no land in France itself, but the King of France is still there with a lot of land in Leon. I own about half of France and will have to poach it from the Danes (which is easier than the French, since the Danes are now a three county realm in their home turf). Why did it go to Denmark???

Can't quite figure out the crusades inheritance mechanic.

There were a fair few bugs with the mechanic introduced that allows a claimant to be installed by crusade, such as the winner becoming count of all the counties in the kingdom, but a vassal of the target heathen. Which version are you playing, might I ask?

Is it possible to "Convert to Attacker's Religion" when you're under a liege? In my case, I'm a Zoro duke of Turkestan under a Tengri Sultan of Turkestan (thank Ahura Mazda the kingdom's de-jure capital is in Syr Darja :p) who's in a miserable state because AI formed a second kingdom under gavelkind and inevitably broke apart. A Holy War from Samanid Khiva and its 8k doomstack hasn't been declared yet, but I know it will come - and might well be targetting my (only newly gained) duchy. The thing is: I'd rather be temporarily Sunni than dead. So can I just play along and only convert when absolutely necessary or should I have a look at the factions tab rather sooner than later?

It isn't possible to Convert to Attacker's Religion whilst a vassal, and even if you could, it wouldn't end the war - you'd be vassalised by the attacker when he wins if I've read the CB rightly.
 

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It isn't possible to Convert to Attacker's Religion whilst a vassal, and even if you could, it wouldn't end the war - you'd be vassalised by the attacker when he wins if I've read the CB rightly.
Well, that's what I was planning on - becoming a Samanid vassal as I don't really have the power to survive as an independant state yet. If I can't, though, I might want to create that independance faction before some incompetent count does... Thanks.
 

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This. Of course, you need good diplomatic relations (+40 iirc).
Possibly the most efficient way to get these is to be attacked by foreigners, which gives a nice vassal relations boost.
 

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There were a fair few bugs with the mechanic introduced that allows a claimant to be installed by crusade, such as the winner becoming count of all the counties in the kingdom, but a vassal of the target heathen. Which version are you playing, might I ask?

Yeah, I saw that with the England crusade above - the guy who inherited the counties got them all as personal fief, and the Duchy of York to go with it, so I had one gigantic Duchy of York. He split it up into two, with a Duchy of Northumberland. Still, 10+ counties for each. I just used my old king to seize the duchies to get rid of this giant powerbase. I play the latest update without RoI or the Old Gods.

I suspected it was a bug with the disappearance of King of England. Then again, it still doesn't explain why the King of France is still with the heretic even though all French lands are now in Aragonese or Danish hands
 

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This. Of course, you need good diplomatic relations (+40 iirc).
Possibly the most efficient way to get these is to be attacked by foreigners, which gives a nice vassal relations boost.

It at least used to be +35 for conversion. A few other tips though:
  1. Zealots are going to hate you more, so you're better off getting rid of them if you can.
  2. With medium crown authority, a monotheist should be able to free-revoke titles of infidels. You may want to use this against particularly angry vassals and maybe even against different-culture vassals if you have any.
  3. For vassals you can't get above +35 but want to keep around (maybe you're roleplaying and your character likes them or maybe you just like their dynasty name, whatever), you can set your chaplain to work in their province (which may convert them or their heir) OR try to educate their children into it.
 

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Sorry I should have been more specific. My issue is converting vassals after the first pagan king has died, when all the single males and their families get their own counties or even duchies. I don't like converting until my first newborn is himself having some kids, as I play very aggressively in order to conquer and replace every de jure vassal with a family member.

Having pagan family members holding duchies that are not willing to convert is quite dangerous. What do you suggest?
 

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Sorry I should have been more specific. My issue is converting vassals after the first pagan king has died, when all the single males and their families get their own counties or even duchies. I don't like converting until my first newborn is himself having some kids, as I play very aggressively in order to conquer and replace every de jure vassal with a family member.

Having pagan family members holding duchies that are not willing to convert is quite dangerous. What do you suggest?

It's up to you, really. You can either shower your vassals with gifts and titles up to the point when they accept, or plot against them to kick them out of factions and in the dungeon for them to wait until you hit Medium Crown Law, or you can realmwhipe - revoke every single vassal and replace him with someone else. Although the last option isn't particularly needed if your vassals are your kin, and your faith is organized religion, and allows fast conversion and free revokation.