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You say that, but as(italian minor turned bysantine due to them being broken by muslims and me being at the center of the crusades back for it) (catholic) bysantium, after the crusade for jerusalem that happened, when i got the kingdom of jerusalem, that place too had the "Bysantine crown laws apply here", whilst places like croatia, serbia, etc. don't get this. Why?


Question here.
 

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Hello.. i'm trying out TOG for the first time and struggling a bit with Gavelkind succession.

I had read that giving sons temples/religous holdings would exempt them from succession, but my first leader (King of Sweden) has just died and his heir has but one county! The rest have been converted to theocracies by the sons i granted temples to.

What did i do wrong?
 

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Hello.. i'm trying out TOG for the first time and struggling a bit with Gavelkind succession.

I had read that giving sons temples/religous holdings would exempt them from succession, but my first leader (King of Sweden) has just died and his heir has but one county! The rest have been converted to theocracies by the sons i granted temples to.

What did i do wrong?

Works only for christians not for pagans.
 

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Hello.. i'm trying out TOG for the first time and struggling a bit with Gavelkind succession.

I had read that giving sons temples/religous holdings would exempt them from succession, but my first leader (King of Sweden) has just died and his heir has but one county! The rest have been converted to theocracies by the sons i granted temples to.

What did i do wrong?

Play a pagan. Making someone a bishop will remove them from the line of succession. Making someone a pagan priest doesn't.
Best way to handle gavelkind as a Norse pagan king is to conquer lots of territory and give the younger sons a jarldom each. Then the oldest son should inherit the kingdom and your own jarldom.
 

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I started out as the Count of Württemberg. I then claimed the Duchy of Swabia, and another county (Würtzburg), leaving me with a total of five counties. This was my first character's legacy. My problem is that I'm nearing the end of my third character's reign, and I still control the exact same territory. I want to claim more and become a Grand Duke, but have been unable to do so. I do have claims, but can never act on them because of the Medium Crown Authority. I've tried to change the law multiple times (by means of factions), but the King of East Francia never accepts my terms, and is far too strong for me to revolt against, even with the help of other East Franconian Dukes. My troops are limited, and no matter how much I save up to hire mercenaries, the King is more powerful, and will call on his ally the King of West Franconia is he starts to feel slightly threatened. There's no independent counties to claim either; all nearby European counties are consolidated under West Francia, East Francia, and Italy.

I do make progress by building economy and military buildings and improving my technology, but I still feel like things are becoming stale. How would you recommend that I claim more titles for my dynasty? I want my dynasty to rule Central Europe and establish our capital Württemberg as the seat of the HRE.
 

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Some of the ambition options such as 'Become Paragon of Virtue' and 'Become Exalted among Men' stops being available after a while, even though I haven't reached the prestige or piety limits yet. In example, 'Become Exalted among Men' calls for 1000 prestige, and my current character only has around 200. Why isn't the ambition available for him any longer? At first I figured there might be a limit on how many ambitions you can achieve, but the ambitions for council positions and kingship are still there. Should I always do 'Become Paragon of Virtue' or 'Become Exalted among Men' first, and then do other ambitions?
 
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I started my game as early as possible (Old Gods). It seems as though my technological progress stops at 2 blocks. If so, must I reach a certain year before technology can progress towards 3 blocks, or is this tied to something else? I'm playing as a Catholic Duke.
 

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Some of the ambition options such as 'Become Paragon of Virtue' and 'Become Exalted among Men' stops being available after a while, even though I haven't reached the prestige or piety limits yet. In example, 'Become Exalted among Men' calls for 1000 prestige, and my current character only has around 200. Why isn't the ambition available for him any longer? At first I figured there might be a limit on how many ambitions you can achieve, but the ambitions for council positions and kingship are still there. Should I always do 'Become Paragon of Virtue' or 'Become Exalted among Men' first, and then do other ambitions?

Basically, each of those two specific ambitions stop being available (I think) if:
- You're more than about 30% of the way to it.
- You're most of the way to reaching the other ambition's target even if you haven't selected it.

So, for example, if you had 50 prestige you might not be able to select "Become Exalted Among Men" if you had 400 piety. Likewise, if you had 100 piety you might not be able to become a Paragon of Virtue because you had 600 Prestige at the same time.

I think that's how it works.

I started my game as early as possible (Old Gods). It seems as though my technological progress stops at 2 blocks. If so, must I reach a certain year before technology can progress towards 3 blocks, or is this tied to something else? I'm playing as a Catholic Duke.

I don't think you have to reach a certain year, it's just that in the Old Gods, tech becomes hugely expensive once you reach the third block and few other people in the world have. If you look at the tech point requirements, you might see that there's an "Ahead Penalty" pushing up the cost. The base cost also increases, the higher up in a particular tech you get.
 

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Some of the ambition options such as 'Become Paragon of Virtue' and 'Become Exalted among Men' stops being available after a while, even though I haven't reached the prestige or piety limits yet. In example, 'Become Exalted among Men' calls for 1000 prestige, and my current character only has around 200. Why isn't the ambition available for him any longer? At first I figured there might be a limit on how many ambitions you can achieve, but the ambitions for council positions and kingship are still there.
From what I can see in the file the limit for Paragon of virtue is 100 piety, while the limit for Exalted among men is 200 prestige.

About your post above, it can be a bit tricky to get the ball rolling. Pay attention to your liege's relationship with the other Karlings and their situations, striking when for instance West Francia and Italy is busy down in Iberia. Use your spymaster well to build the faction to a proper strength with Scheme, and push it. Another solution is to kill as many of the other Karlings as you can, eliminating possible allies for your liege and expanding your possible pool of supporters..
 

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Thanks for the advice so far, very helpful!

Another question, about building strategy. Is this a sensible general approach?

1. Build all economy buildings in your capital to level II.
2. Build all economy buildings in your other held counties to level II.
3. Build all military buildings in your capital to level II.
4. Build all military buildings in your other held counties to level II.
5. Build a new castle in your capital.
6. Build new cities in your other counties.
7. Repeat step 1-4 to level III.
 

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Thanks for the advice so far, very helpful!

Another question, about building strategy. Is this a sensible general approach?

1. Build all economy buildings in your capital to level II.
2. Build all economy buildings in your other held counties to level II.
3. Build all military buildings in your capital to level II.
4. Build all military buildings in your other held counties to level II.
5. Build a new castle in your capital.
6. Build new cities in your other counties.
7. Repeat step 1-4 to level III.

Yeah, that's pretty sensible. However, you could build cities in your capital instead of castles if you want extra guaranteed income; also, never build any new holdings other than cities in a coastal county, because that Harbour building brings a lot of extra income with it.
 

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I have a question regarding the "Become the Saoshyant", i control all the dutches required, i searched for them via the title search screen, but it says that im still missing some even though i own 1 and 2 of my vassals own the rest, any ideas?
 

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I have a question regarding the "Become the Saoshyant", i control all the dutches required, i searched for them via the title search screen, but it says that im still missing some even though i own 1 and 2 of my vassals own the rest, any ideas?

Have you checked that there are no individual baronies in those duchies that are independent?
 

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Playing as a merchant republic in Italy and I swore fealty to the King of Italy to avoid getting raped in endless embargo wars.

What are some ways to get a claim to the throne so I can support myself or someone whole could be my heir as the ruler of Italy (as a faction plot)?

Marriage seems to not be an option, because even a patrician who's the Doge of their republic is still too lowly for the king to ever consider any of my sons/daughters.
 

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Have you checked that there are no individual baronies in those duchies that are independent?

Thanks, there were 5 independent baronies, they were annoying but i got rid of them quickly and now i became the Saoshyant! Its a shame that i cant lead my own troops, i united the persian empire and became Saoshyant with a Woman, but it still feels great.
 

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I plan to matrilineally marry a Sayyid character to some daughter to get that trait into my dynasty (because I can ), but how likely is it I will succeed? Right now, from raiding, I (a Norse/Norse blob) have two Sayyid boys in my prison: an 11-year-old Norse/Sunni Hashimid (hope he's still going to convert - the educator is zealous, damn it...) and a 6-year-old Norse/Norse Umayyad (he was born in captivity :p). Now, while I have these boys in prison, I am not their liege, so that's a bit of a problem.

1. How does "must not marry an infidel" work on prisoners who are not of the same religion as their liege?
2. What happens if I fully annex the liege of one of these prisoners? The Umayyad Sultan of Mauritania in particular is on his last legs, and his... grandson, in fact, is my culture, my religion and my prisoner. Will he become my courtier or a landed Umayyad's courtier or some random Norse guy's courtier?
3. In case of the latter, can I even invite claimaints (because if I don't kill that boy's grandfather and father, there will be "no reason to move" :glare:) if I already control the territory he has claims on? Will giving independance help here?

I can probably manage electing my 4-year-old daughter (only Quick one that hasn't died yet :p), but I'd rather not have the regency (my Fylkir is 69 already, he's gonna die soon) if there's no way the plan is going to work...
 

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I´ve just discover I can´t negotiate with distant rulers. Is there a way how to determine the area of my diplomatic "influence" (e.g. how far I can send my messengers, with whom can I negotiate)? Thx in advance. ;)
 

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I´ve just discover I can´t negotiate with distant rulers. Is there a way how to determine the area of my diplomatic "influence" (e.g. how far I can send my messengers, with whom can I negotiate)? Thx in advance. ;)
select your chancellor (from council tab) select improve diplomatic relations mission and you should see how far the diplo range is by looking at the map.
 

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Why can't Indian religions use Tribal Invasions if they're cultured Turkish (but can if cultured Mongol)?

(not narratively, but rather, I can't find the block in the files)


Nm, found.
 
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Why are you sometimes unable to raise vassals' levies? I'm not talking about low numbers being available due to opinion. The tooltip shows how many you can raise based on current opinion, etc., but for some reason the button to raise them is not active.