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The inheritance is based on the presence, as has been said before by brifbates.
If the primary son dies before the current king, his oldest brother will inherit, as long as the primary son hasn't had a son until then.
If he had a son until then, his son will inherit before his own uncles. The next in line then would be his sister.

To look at it in a slightly different manner...

Your primary heirs are your descendants followed by your siblings, then finally your parents, as Aardvark said, Agnatic-Cognatic is male before female so the list of descendants is filled males then females starting with the firstborn son and any sons they have and so on. In the case where the firstborn son lives and inherits his brothers get pushed back in line behind all of his descendants as they are now siblings instead of descendants; thus the daughter will now be ahead of her uncles in line but would still be after any younger brothers she might have.

The current crown laws in the UK are pure primo without regard to gender, which is not one of the options available in game. The laws were changed to that system well after the CK time frame.
 

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Muslims only have one succesion law right? So if i create a new empire, asside from my arabian empire, they will both still go to the son with the most titles? Its not like other characters/religions where a newly formed title first has the gavelkind law?

And a bit related to this: if i never lose a crusade, will i ever get acces to Jihads?
 

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If certain key provinces are captured by a non islamic country then Jihads will be enabled. Jerusalem is one I believe.
 

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Muslims only have one succesion law right? So if i create a new empire, asside from my arabian empire, they will both still go to the son with the most titles? Its not like other characters/religions where a newly formed title first has the gavelkind law?

As far as I'm aware, yes, you're right.

And a bit related to this: if i never lose a crusade, will i ever get acces to Jihads?

Yes. If other Muslims lose key provinces to non-Muslims, i.e. Baghdad, Cairo, Tunis, Marrakech or Jerusalem, then Jihads will be unlocked.
 

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Im the titular King of Aragon, King of Burgundy and Acqutaine. Aragon has no more dejure. If I lose the titular King title to my 2nd heir on sucession, will the heir stop being my vassal (hes a duke atm) and crown himself King of Nothing ?

Can anybody please be so kind and answer that ?
 

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How are the multiplayer out of sync issues in the latest patch?

Me and my friend have been putting off playing because of constant OOS.

I haven't checked it out myself, but Arumba/Northernlion/Mathas commented in one of their videos that the in-game stability seemed better to them (though they had a lot of issues with initial set-up)
 

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Im the titular King of Aragon, King of Burgundy and Acqutaine. Aragon has no more dejure. If I lose the titular King title to my 2nd heir on sucession, will the heir stop being my vassal (hes a duke atm) and crown himself King of Nothing ?

Can anybody please be so kind and answer that ?

If you have no empire-level title, the answer is yes, he will stop being your vassal, and his duchy (assuming he owns all of it) will begin to drift into whichever titular kingdom he inherits.
 

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What exactly is a titular title? How is that different from other titles in the game?

It means there are no titles that are de jure underneath it; no kingdoms, no duchies, and no counties. Unless it's a duchy, however, you can have duchies (for Kingdoms) and kingdoms (for empires) drift into them de jure if they're held for 100 years.
 

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Just a quick one, I started as oppland I think it was 3 provinces in Norway anyways formed Norway I don't really see how big I can get I just play for fun anyways I decided I would join a crusade for Spain against the Arabs took 4 titles in mainland Spain during the crusade. Long story short crusade ended and I have ended up with all the land it worked out another 91 over my demesne limit so I currently sit at 97/6 in the year 1069. I really do not know what to do with it if I am honest so would appreciate some input, should I keep it or give away titles I dunno I'm a bit shocked lol

Additional info 867 start and it's the patch before rajas only have one son and my ruler is 55
 

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Just a quick one, I started as oppland I think it was 3 provinces in Norway anyways formed Norway I don't really see how big I can get I just play for fun anyways I decided I would join a crusade for Spain against the Arabs took 4 titles in mainland Spain during the crusade. Long story short crusade ended and I have ended up with all the land it worked out another 91 over my demesne limit so I currently sit at 97/6 in the year 1069. I really do not know what to do with it if I am honest so would appreciate some input, should I keep it or give away titles I dunno I'm a bit shocked lol

Additional info 867 start and it's the patch before rajas only have one son and my ruler is 55
Grant it all to courtiers who like you. If you run out of courtiers, generate more by using the decision in the intrigue menu. Divide the land as much as possible, you don't want any of your vassals too powerful.
 

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So my lover got pregnant again and this time gave birth to a *desperately* needed son (I'm 55, my wife is 50, and my two kingdoms, Ireland and England, are gonna get split between my two daughters unless I pull a son out of my hat). However, the same thing... no popup or anything in the intrigue menu about acknowledging the little bastard. He is about six months old and I'm worried that my game is bugged. Both bastards have been born while I was at war... I can't see how that would make a difference though. I really need to figure this out!

In order to see if she is sharing the love with someone else, I opened her character relations screen and looked for anyone else with the +75 lover opinion that I have for her. No one. Is this an effective way of finding out if she has other lovers?
Not sure about other replies to this, probably stumble on it later(lots of pages to catch up). It is bugged, very bugged. Something like 50%+ of bastards never get the event for me(at times, when several bastards pop up per year, usually when I actually notice it), and they are most definitely my children(bastard (known father), and real father) and something you can test yourself with pollinate.
 
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Ok, damn me if I understand anything...Either I am stupid or this is a bug :laugh:

So I inherit the crown of the Ere while in a war. Ofc those those #%&^##@9 dukes don't declare against me during the war but plot to install pretenders.

I finish the war and surprise surprise they make their move. So far so good. Now the strange things happen:

The faction is led by a duchess that wants my half brother on the throne. I deploy my army to siege her holdings and on the way I engage an army led by said half brother-pretender and I kill him in battle. So Question 1: No pretender = No war right? Apparently in my game no.
Because his son inherits the pretender status...I kill him and apparently a Frankish cousin of his son, is then the claimant...Then the kinsman of that claimant...

So I decide to use cheats to hire assassins to just see when and if this will end. I kill that one too and the Duchess leading the war gets to be pretender...Then I kill her, her daughter, her father and then random guys from her curt and then Random people spawning. Then I start to kill people with no hiers and relatives. I never saw before, I must have killed about 50 people....

Is that Working as intended? Isn't it supposed to end the war once the pretender is dead? By the looks of things once the original pretender dies, then the entire byzantine empire turns to sleeper pretenders (taking the duchy too) till you win them through warscore(I presume).....
I need a drink... Or someone to explain to me if assassins and killing the pretender in battle is working and I just run in a bug or something.
 
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Been a while, but I can't recall Grandsons of the inheriting son getting strong claims on all Empire and Kingdom tier titles before. What's the deal?
 

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Is there some bug with vassals switching allegiance? Before I go posting a bug report I thought I'd ask here.

In one game my vassal counts were helping some of their allies' revolt. A long time afterwards I suddenly noticed here was no longer a vassal of mine but to some other random duke. Same thing happened (sort of) when I was Emperor of Rajastan. I was waging holy wars/de jure claim wars on several of my muslim neighbours while they were weakened fighting decadence wars/revolts/hosts and other normal wars. Suddenly I find myself in charge of these guys several months after I concluded my war:

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I honestly can't explain how a Sunni King suddenly became my vassal with absolutely no notification (I also somehow stole a Duke from Afghanistan). I also noticed that I couldn't press any de jure claims of their titles... so I just shrugged it off and revoked all of his and his vassal's titles simply because I could without penalty:

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Is there some bug with vassals switching allegiance? Before I go posting a bug report I thought I'd ask here.

Several people mentined potential bugs with allegiance switch happening by revolts.
As revolts now, since 2.1, are under one temporary title as high as the liege the revolt goes against, it's highely likely a bug.

I don't really understand what happened in your post, but i'd say post it in the Bug Forum.
At least it's no "why is my checksum different after i quit to the main menu" question/bug report. ;)
 

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Been a while, but I can't recall Grandsons of the inheriting son getting strong claims on all Empire and Kingdom tier titles before. What's the deal?

It's my understanding that the next two (or maybe three?) heirs in line get a strong claim on the titles so depending on your succession law and family circumstances this is entirely possible.