Crusader Kings II ~ Quick Answers

[Jakalak]

Can someone give me a quick rundown on CK2's caste system?

Specifically, who are you supposed to marry, and what determines what caste the child ends up in? I married someone of the same caste as I was, and got the -30 Ruler is Wrong Caste modifier.

 

[Xaioxaiofan]

Can someone give me a quick rundown on CK2's caste system?

Specifically, who are you supposed to marry, and what determines what caste the child ends up in? I married someone of the same caste as I was, and got the -30 Ruler is Wrong Caste modifier.

The child will be of the lowest caste of his parents, you should marry somebody of the same caste.

 

[Jakalak]

The child will be of the lowest caste of his parents, you should marry somebody of the same caste.

Then, why does my wife, who has the same caste I do, dislike me for having 'the wrong caste'? Will they dislike you unless you marry down a caste?

Also, what determines whether or not someone is the 'right caste' for a city county holding? Some of my kshatriyas have the button greyed out because they don't have 'the right caste', yet other kshatriyas apparently are the right caste? How do you tell without going to every single individual and trying to give him the title?

 

[Hopit]

Then, why does my wife, who has the same caste I do, dislike me for having 'the wrong caste'? Will they dislike you unless you marry down a caste?

Also, what determines whether or not someone is the 'right caste' for a city county holding? Some of my kshatriyas have the button greyed out because they don't have 'the right caste', yet other kshatriyas apparently are the right caste? How do you tell without going to every single individual and trying to give him the title?

You are holding a title that you should not?

 

[Xaioxaiofan]

Also, what determines whether or not someone is the 'right caste' for a city county holding? Some of my kshatriyas have the button greyed out because they don't have 'the right caste', yet other kshatriyas apparently are the right caste? How do you tell without going to every single individual and trying to give him the title?

Are they Hindu?

 

[Jakalak]

You are holding a title that you should not?

Ah, thank you! I thought the modifier referred to my caste. I didn't know that it had to do with my holdings. Yes, that's the city-county I'm trying to get rid of, so that'd be it.

Are they Hindu?

I am a Hindu, yes. Will Hindus never accept counties with cities as their primary holding?

Thanks so much for your help, guys, I couldn't find a wiki entry for caste.

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Oh, you know what, I'm even more of an idiot than I thought. It's not a city, it's a temple, so they need to be brahmin, right?

So sorry for wasting all this time!

 

[Hopit]

Ah, thank you! I thought the modifier referred to my caste. I didn't know that it had to do with my holdings. Yes, that's the city-county I'm trying to get rid of, so that'd be it.



I am a Hindu, yes. Will Hindus never accept counties with cities as their primary holding?

Thanks so much for your help, guys, I couldn't find a wiki entry for caste.

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Oh, you know what, I'm even more of an idiot than I thought. It's not a city, it's a temple, so they need to be brahmin, right?

So sorry for wasting all this time!

The castes are tied to holdings, brahmins for temples, etc. if you hold a holding you're not supposed to, people get the wrong caste opinion malus.

 

[Flamestalker]

Im playing a game in the new beta patch and i noticed something i haven't before, but as i haven't played much since the release of SOA im not sure if this is a new thing.
I noticed that the Khazars and the Norse on the British isles aren't attempting to convert their counties while others like Rurik and Dyre do. are they supposed to not convert their counties?

 

[asteris_]

Well I've been playing as a Norse Scandinavia and the problem is neither Crusades or Jihads are called until 1100. I have SoA too, any advice? is it possible to activate with console?

 

[Halcyan]

Well I've been playing as a Norse Scandinavia and the problem is neither Crusades or Jihads are called until 1100. I have SoA too, any advice? is it possible to activate with console?

You can always try to activate them by taking appropriate counties.

Triggering Crusades is straightforward by taking Braunschweig.

For Jihads, you will probably need to grab Marrakech, Tunis, or Al Djazair.

 

[FreeSoc]

Well I've been playing as a Norse Scandinavia and the problem is neither Crusades or Jihads are called until 1100. I have SoA too, any advice? is it possible to activate with console?

If you're Norse, then a) take Rome/Braunschweig/Paris from the Christians and b) take Marrakesh from whoever rules it. That'll enable Crusades and Jihads.

I don't know what you do then, though; I had Jihads and Crusades unlocked in my game as the Reformed Norse Fylkir and I didn't get an option to activate Pagan Holy Wars. I've only ever seen them become unlocked once the Tengri reformed, even in my last Suomenuskuo game where I reformed before the Tengri did.

 

[Robosloth]

With the hindu subjugation CB it would cost 500 karma to declare a holy war against a neighbouring kingdom. What I was wondering is how I could amass such a large quantity of karma?

 

[Finarfin]

I'm using the Beta and am seeing something I don't understand. I'm trying to find a good betrothal for an 8 year old. There is a kingdom with Agnatic-Cognatic Primogeniture. The king's heirs are his first child, a son, his third child, a son (the second is a daughter), and the second son's son. The first son has a daughter. Shouldn't she be listed as heir after her father? Isn't Primogeniture supposed to trace through the first eligible heir's line, regardless of whether the child is a son or daughter? Even if that son dies doesn't the crown fall to his children since he was the primary heir?

 

[brifbates]

I'm using the Beta and am seeing something I don't understand. I'm trying to find a good betrothal for an 8 year old. There is a kingdom with Agnatic-Cognatic Primogeniture. The king's heirs are his first child, a son, his third child, a son (the second is a daughter), and the second son's son. The first son has a daughter. Shouldn't she be listed as heir after her father? Isn't Primogeniture supposed to trace through the first eligible heir's line, regardless of whether the child is a son or daughter? Even if that son dies doesn't the crown fall to his children since he was the primary heir?

In this situation it all depends on what order people die. If the father dies first then the first son takes over and his daughter jumps to the top of the line. If son 1 dies first then dad then son 2 wins on the male > female thing as he is a descendant of the deceased and thus among the primary heirs. If son 1 had a son but died first his son would still be the winner.

 

[Finarfin]

In this situation it all depends on what order people die. If the father dies first then the first son takes over and his daughter jumps to the top of the line. If son 1 dies first then dad then son 2 wins on the male > female thing as he is a descendant of the deceased and thus among the primary heirs. If son 1 had a son but died first his son would still be the winner.

I understand that that is what the game is doing but is that the way the inheritance law should work? Let's use the U.K. as an example and pretend that Charles had daughters instead of sons. If Charles dies before his mother would daughter would become heir, not Charles' brothers. Primogeniture is supposed to follow a valid line of descent until that line is extinguished.

 

[Aardvark Bellay]

I understand that that is what the game is doing but is that the way the inheritance law should work? Let's use the U.K. as an example and pretend that Charles had daughters instead of sons. If Charles dies before his mother would daughter would become heir, not Charles' brothers. Primogeniture is supposed to follow a valid line of descent until that line is extinguished.

In your case it's other sons before a daughter of the primary son, as agnatic-cognatic is male before female. Females can inherit only if there's no eligible male candidate left.
It's in the tooltip.

 

[JuicyJuuce]

So I am king of Ireland and I conquered England, now I hold both kingdom titles. Under "Laws", I can change the crown laws for each kingdom separately, but the rest of the laws I can only change for Ireland. Do those laws only apply to my demesne? If so then who do the Feudal Levies/Taxation laws apply to (since there are no counts or nobles in my demesne besides me).

 

[Finarfin]

In your case it's other sons before a daughter of the primary son, as agnatic-cognatic is male before female. Females can inherit only if there's no eligible male candidate left.
It's in the tooltip.

I understand that, as well. I guess it just depends on how you look at it. I am looking at it where the king's granddaughter is second in line to the throne, i.e. she will inherit when her father, as king, dies. The list of 3 top heirs in CK2 is showing the order based on what happens if the one at the top of the list dies before inheriting, and not the present situation. In this situation you would want to snag that little girl because if nothing changes she's going to be queen someday.

 

[KingNothing]

So I am king of Ireland and I conquered England, now I hold both kingdom titles. Under "Laws", I can change the crown laws for each kingdom separately, but the rest of the laws I can only change for Ireland. Do those laws only apply to my demesne? If so then who do the Feudal Levies/Taxation laws apply to (since there are no counts or nobles in my demesne besides me).

Levies and tax laws apply to anyone directly below you, regardless of where they are. So, fuedal taxes would apply to every count and duke directly below you, but would not apply to counts that are below a duke that is below you.

 

[Aardvark Bellay]

I understand that, as well. I guess it just depends on how you look at it. I am looking at it where the king's granddaughter is second in line to the throne, i.e. she will inherit when her father, as king, dies. The list of 3 top heirs in CK2 is showing the order based on what happens if the one at the top of the list dies before inheriting, and not the present situation. In this situation you would want to snag that little girl because if nothing changes she's going to be queen someday.

The inheritance is based on the presence, as has been said before by brifbates.
If the primary son dies before the current king, his oldest brother will inherit, as long as the primary son hasn't had a son until then.
If he had a son until then, his son will inherit before his own uncles. The next in line then would be his sister.