Huh really? :O Do any of starts outside ones recommended you have unique events?
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Maybe you're thinking of CK3? Apparently there's something special for Daurama for that game - an achievement or something. In CK2, all she gets is a bloodline, so I don't know why your initial post talked about unique events.
succession probably won't help since I'm pretty sure previous ruler already had this issue. Can't really edit the save because ironman but it's not a huge issue if I have to restart anyway. I'll probably just wait two+ years till I'm able to change laws again though.
I've granted independence to that duchy in the past when I was in that position so yes you should be able to make those opinion modifiers go away.
According to the wiki, peaceful nature lowers revoltrisk from different religion https://ck2.paradoxwikis.com/Pagans#Nature
I don't have access to the game right now, so can anyone confirm it or say where in the files can I find that revolt modifier for being pacifist?
I don't have access to the game right now, so can anyone confirm it or say where in the files can I find that revolt modifier for being pacifist?
Not exactly a question more of a. request.. Any advice on playing as a pagan(Romuva religion).
Elective Gavelkind is not great because junior heirs can just become independent after ruler passing away. And cannot change that quickly when you are unreformed tribal pagan. Hurts you too when you have like 4 sons in the begging of the game.
Any(and all) other advices about playing as a Pagan are also welcome, cause I only played as Christian rulers up till now. seems interesting to play as a pagan ruler, even the interface looks slightly different, forest/wood kind of feeling.
Elective Gavelkind is not great because junior heirs can just become independent after ruler passing away. And cannot change that quickly when you are unreformed tribal pagan. Hurts you too when you have like 4 sons in the begging of the game.
Any(and all) other advices about playing as a Pagan are also welcome, cause I only played as Christian rulers up till now. seems interesting to play as a pagan ruler, even the interface looks slightly different, forest/wood kind of feeling.
Romuva have access to Eldership from the start (as long as they are tribal), so you don't need to worry about Elective Gavelkind. (NB: If you have HF, you'll need to take the relevant doctrine if you want to keep eldership after reformation. If you don't have HF, I think you'll always keep eldership after reformation, but I can't remember for certain.)
Some general advice for pagans:
- Raid a lot, as this is your only source of money - especially with boats in the Mediterranean, once you have enough ships. (Yes, all pagans can raid with boats, it's not limited to Vikings.)
- If tribal, choose a coastal capital duchy that has a lot of counties with a lot of empty holdings. (Coastal so you can get ships for raids - tribes don't get vassal levies. Lots of empty holdings because every empty holding in a county gives +50% levy size. But wrong religion/culture also gives penalties to levy size, up to a max of -50%, so choose carefully.)
- When you're ready to conquer, choose the "become king" ambition for free subjugations in one kingdom. (If you choose the target kingdom wisely and the AI cooperates, you might even get 2-3 kingdoms from the ambition.)
- If you're a defensive pagan (eg. Romuva), make sure you fight all your battles in counties of your religion. (They don't have to be owned by you, they only have to havve the same religion.) +80% defense is amazing.
- Consider whether you need to reform quickly - unreformed pagans have substantial bonuses that keep them competitive up to approx year 1000.
- Don't rush to feudalise - your power will decrease substantially for a few decades before you feudalise (no calling tribal vassals to war) and also for a few decades afterwards (initial castle buildings provide fewer and lower-quality troops than fully-developed tribes).
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What DLCs do you have? You must at least have The Old Gods if pagans are playable for you. If you have Holy Fury, then as a Romuva or African pagan you should start off with Eldership Succession, which is probably the best of the elective succession laws.
With or without Holy Fury, Romuva is possibly the easiest pagan religion to play as, because it's probably the easiest to reform, at least in the 769 start. Starting as any Romuva realm in 769, an experienced player will generally be able, given average luck, to reform the faith with his first ruler. Norse and Suomenusko are also pretty easy to reform, but not every starting ruler of those faiths gives you a good position from which to pull it off. African is a bit more difficult, and Tengri is tough, because the Tengri holy sites are so spread out. It can be tricky just to survive as a Zunist ruler. Bon is sort of a special case because they have access to the Monastic Feudal government type and aren't locked into Gavelkind, so there's less pressure on them to reform.
Gavelkind isn't great, but it's way better than Elective Gavelkind, so for most pagans the first order of business is to get out of Elective Gavelkind, or at least minimize it drawbacks. There are a lot of cheesy was to minimize the problems, but they tend to involve various gamey ways of making sure that you only have 1 legitimate heir, or temporarily converting to a non-pagan faith. The best non-cheesy way to minimize the drawbacks is to form a kingdom and make sure you don't own enough territory outside of the de jure boundaries of that kingdom to form another kingdom until you're able to form an empire. That way, your demesne will still be split, but new independent titles won't be formed and split your realm itself upon succession.
Besides the succession issues and reformation, the biggest difference in playing as a pagan is that pagans use prestige instead of gold to buy most upgrades in their holdings, so while you still need some money, prestige is much more important for pagans than for rulers of other faiths.
It's hard to give much more advice than that without knowing which DLCs you have.
With gravelkind if you don't play iron mode and you don't mind save abuse you can just outlive all your sons then successions will primogeniture. ;P
I have:
The old gods
Legacy of Rome
Conclave
The Way of life
Sons of Abraham
So 769 start is out if the question. And no Holy Fury so no Eldership. I'm stuck with Elective gavelkind. I guess have to try to take enough land to form one kingdom and reform the religion. Playing as Lithuania, so no boats to go raiding somewhere from the very start.
Reforming the religion isn't enough to get out of gavelkind because you don't have HF (so you can't create a custom religion that unlocks different succession laws for tribal rulers).
Feudal elective and seniority are probably the easiest options - you only need to feudalise. If you want primo then you'll also need to push legalism tech and pass the relevant law.
Becoming a MR instead of feudal is out (because you don't have The Republic). You can't get tanistry from Niall's bloodline because bloodlines require HF. I guess you could in theory culture-shift to Celtic/Mongol for the culturally-unlocked succession (ie. tanistry/ultimo), but this won't be easy and it's also not very thematic for Lithuania!
Indeed, you don't get the free shipbuilding tech & buildings that are given to Scandinavia. However, you can build them yourself (if you have coastal counties and sufficient cash).
IIRC seniority is a trap - you can easily get in, but it's hard to change into something else, as your rulers and heirs will be quite old.
Reforming will let him get out of Elective Gavelkind, though.
Neither are ideal, IMO. as MateuszS points out, Senority can be a trap, and I remain skeptical about elective forms of succession which make it possible for someone outside of your dynasty to inherit. I know that experienced players can rig things so that they are pretty much assured of having their preferred candidate win, but I think a lot of the tactics to do it are gamey.
He really doesn't have the right DLCs to play as a pagan. Yeah, he has TOG so that technically pagans are unlocked for him, but he really should get Charlemagne (the pagans are much better off in 769 than in the later starts) and HF (for custom reformations and warrior lodges, neither of which are strictly necessary, but both of which are fun IMO).
He should be able to raid overland.
What, so he can switch to gavelkind? If anything, that's worse. At least with elective gavelkind you can choose your next character (ie. the best one).
Choose an heir that a few electors will vote for. Then, to make up the balance, buy favors and call in succession support. I don't think this is "gamey" at all - those favors are going to cost you a LOT of money.
You can only raid overland in counties that are directly adjacent to your realm. Lithuania is in the heart of tribal territory, so all your neighbours will be tribes. You don't make much money from raiding tribes - in fact, it probably won't even pay for your levy upkeep.
I'd recommend HF ahead of Charlemagne... but yeah, it's better with more DLC. Pity they're so pricey...
No, gavelkind is much much better than elective gavelkind. The latter will create kingdom titles to give to secondary heirs, the former will not. So all you need to do in gavelkind is maintain exactly one kingdom title until you're ready to create the empire title, and you won't lose anything important on succession.
In my experience pagans are just fine and lots of fun without Charlemagne or HF. Granted that's with Norse, not Romuva. Cheap ships and lots of coastal provinces really help with the raiding. Even once Lithuania has a coast, I'd expect overseas raiding to be primarily a prestige source with most of the looted money paying for upkeep on the ships.
And pagans are plenty strong in 867, no need for 769.
For what it's worth, I'd advise doing a Norse game as an introduction to pagans, then do Romuva (or Slavic or Suomenusko) as a second more challenging game.
Even though wasn't able to raid effectively but my attempt as Romuva-Lithuania went well. I did make a mistake and reformed religion too early (wanted to get out of elective), lost the pagan homeland attrition, and took too much land outside the de jure empire territory, and vassal limit was reached (I know i can go through it) Then the great holy war started we won and I kind got more than I wanted. But it is really fun although Romuva are not offensive pagans. So for the next attempt I know what not to do (not gonna reform before ready to create empire, even though it might have to be a gavelkind empire, cause raising tribal organization when you are unreformed hurts you a lot and you need more money for favors. So adopting feudalism and primogeniture would have to wait).
Am I wrong or it's not possible to fully disqualify someone from succession with elective gavelkind? I think I gave a temple to one of my sons he couldn't get the primary title but still can get other counties?...?
what difficulty do you guys play on? I play on normal. tried very hard before as a Catholic ruler, but the AI bonuses are too strong, not sure how to combat them. Sometimes I lose batles even though I outnumber the enemy 3:1
Am I wrong or it's not possible to fully disqualify someone from succession with elective gavelkind? I think I gave a temple to one of my sons he couldn't get the primary title but still can get other counties?...?
what difficulty do you guys play on? I play on normal. tried very hard before as a Catholic ruler, but the AI bonuses are too strong, not sure how to combat them. Sometimes I lose batles even though I outnumber the enemy 3:1
1. You get strong claims on the other kingdoms if they go independent. Press them. (Or duel for them - tribal kinslayer isn't that bad.)
2. Early in a campaign, I sometimes have a hard time acquiring the piety for kingdom creation. In elective gavelkind, they are created for free and I can easily re-acquire them (see 1).
3. I actually want some of my vassals to go independent on succession, because this gives strong claims on all their top-tier titles. A quick war/duel and then it's land redistribution time!
4. Elective gavelkind is elective, which is huge. You can pick that random young strong genius brilliant strategist as your successor, at which point everything becomes a lot easier.
If the ships have loot in them, their upkeep is reduced massively. (By 90%, I think.) If you're really worried, I guess you could go on a "practice raid" nearby before setting sail for the Med.
Similarly, raiding armies have massively reduced maintenance. (Again, reduced by 90% I think.) (This is why I prefer to use mercenaries for raids: they are cheap, they replenish, and you don't care if they die.)
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According to the wiki: "Priests of the following religions cannot inherit: Christians (except feminist heresies), Indians, Manichean, Taoist, Bön, Hellenic, and religions with the Monasticism doctrine."
Romuva is not in the list (and you don't have HF so you can't give Romuva the Monasticism doctrine), so priests will always be able to inherit.
Normal difficulty, but I make things harder via gamerules.