Crusader Kings II ~ Quick Answers

[Yxklyx]

An early retreat should trigger it afaik. Are you sure you have the game rule turned on ?

Oh yes, definitely on. The game needs it even though its implementation isn't as good as EU4's. It was an all retinue army, it happened twice in a row and I lost like 4K men including some wiped out retinues - I kept getting attacked in a neighboring province and the shattered retreat arrow path was not displayed. My inbred Emperor was not leading the troops - he usually is but not this guy.

 

[Wenceslaus II.]

Oh yes, definitely on. The game needs it even though its implementation isn't as good as EU4's. It was an all retinue army, it happened twice in a row and I lost like 4K men including some wiped out retinues - I kept getting attacked in a neighboring province and the shattered retreat arrow path was not displayed. My inbred Emperor was not leading the troops - he usually is but not this guy.

No idea, then. Prolly a bug tbh.

 

[Sunshine Moon]

Did army numbers get globally reduced at some point? I'm watching gameplay from 2013 and the levies the likes of AI West Francia and the Sunni Caliph are mustering seem way higher than what I'm used to seeing (having only really played for a year or two).

 

[Karlington]

Did army numbers get globally reduced at some point? I'm watching gameplay from 2013 and the levies the likes of AI West Francia and the Sunni Caliph are mustering seem way higher than what I'm used to seeing (having only really played for a year or two).

What kind of numbers are we talking about here?

 

[Sunshine Moon]

It was 20-30K for West Francia over 100K for the Caliph. I should clarify the game I was watching was from an Old Gods start, which was what especially surprised me, since usually armies in early medieval gameplay are pretty small and get bigger for the last couple centuries of the game.

Looking again, it looks like I didn't notice that Francia had way more European territory than usual and was basically a pretty souped-up HRE in all but name, but the other still seems like a really big army for an 800s realm.

 

[Aardvark Bellay]

Did army numbers get globally reduced at some point?...

It did get modified all the time until 2.6 or so.
Biggest hit was of course when martial attributes became the main factor for demesne troops, but also subvassal contribution etc.

 

[Wenceslaus II.]

It did get modified all the time until 2.6 or so.
Biggest hit was of course when martial attributes became the main factor for demesne troops, but also subvassal contribution etc.

Didn't just muslims get nerfed in general?

 

[InFlandersFields]

Hello all, just started playing ck2 and starting to feel like I actually know for 2 percent what I am doing. The game tells me that I can press these de jure claims, but then tells me I don't have a valid CB? I know my Basileus is his suzerain but even by trying to DoW him it won't give me my de jure war. Anyone know why? Thanks in advance!

 

[jonjowett]

Hello all, just started playing ck2 and starting to feel like I actually know for 2 percent what I am doing. The game tells me that I can press these de jure claims, but then tells me I don't have a valid CB? I know my Basileus is his suzerain but even by trying to DoW him it won't give me my de jure war. Anyone know why? Thanks in advance!

You cannot declare war on your tributaries, or your liege's tributaries.

If you were the Baslieus, you could release the tributary and then immediately declare war. However, as a vassal, I don't think you have any options.

(Well, you could arrange to inherit the duchy, but that would require a couple of generations. Or quite a few murders and abductions.)

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In general, the CB alerts at the top of the screen don't take account of whether it's possible for you to actually declare war. (The same kind of issue occurs with weak claims.)

 

[InFlandersFields]

You cannot declare war on your tributaries, or your liege's tributaries.

If you were the Baslieus, you could release the tributary and then immediately declare war. However, as a vassal, I don't think you have any options.

(Well, you could arrange to inherit the duchy, but that would require a couple of generations. Or quite a few murders and abductions.)

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In general, the CB alerts at the top of the screen don't take account of whether it's possible for you to actually declare war. (The same kind of issue occurs with weak claims.)

Thank you! Another thing learned, cheers.

 

[Karlington]

Hello all, just started playing ck2 and starting to feel like I actually know for 2 percent what I am doing.

You're doing quite well, then. It probably took me a few weeks to reach 2% proficiency, heh.

 

[InFlandersFields]

You're doing quite well, then. It probably took me a few weeks to reach 2% proficiency, heh.

I've been watching streamers play CK2 for ages so less than that would be humiliating

 

[Wenceslaus II.]

You're doing quite well, then. It probably took me a few weeks to reach 2% proficiency, heh.

Man, I got over 1000 hours and I still feel like I'm at 15 % at best.

 

[Lord of the Fries]

Newb here. In my first play-through on vanilla basically just to get my bearings.
The only question I have so far (in 968) is whether Naval travel is supposed to be as tedious as it is?
I can't ever seem to divide my armies down into manageable sizes that will fit my individual fleets, which are still small at this point. Not looking forward to wading through a channel and incurring the huge penalty.

Thanks!

 

[Lord_Bean]

Newb here. In my first play-through on vanilla basically just to get my bearings.
The only question I have so far (in 968) is whether Naval travel is supposed to be as tedious as it is?
I can't ever seem to divide my armies down into manageable sizes that will fit my individual fleets, which are still small at this point. Not looking forward to wading through a channel and incurring the huge penalty.

Thanks!

Since you talk about 'individual fleets', just to make sure you know, you can merge your fleets into one. You do this by selecting multiple fleets that are in the same location (simplest is holding the ALT-key and dragging a box around them with the left mouse key) and clicking the button on the top left of the unit boxes that has two arrows pointing towards a dot. (Same goes for armies by the way, which you also want to merge so that the bonus of commanders is applied to all troops involved)

Besides this; yes, some tediousness is involved. I've even run into the problem as a small count that my (indivisable) levies were too big for my total fleet. In general it is quite doable however.

 

[jonjowett]

I've even run into the problem as a small count that my (indivisable) levies were too big for my total fleet.

There are a few mercenary bands consisting of nothing but ships. They're very expensive - so, maybe not practical for a count - but it is a possible way to get a small increase in fleet size.

It's also worth noting that a merged fleet is slightly larger than the sum of its components. If you have 20k troops but only 195 ships, you may be able to fit all 20k on the fleet by merging the ships together. I'm not sure why this is in the game, but I've seen this effect for years now. (And I've taken advantage of it on numerous occasions.)

 

[Wenceslaus II.]

It's also worth noting that a merged fleet is slightly larger than the sum of its components. If you have 20k troops but only 195 ships, you may be able to fit all 20k on the fleet by merging the ships together. I'm not sure why this is in the game, but I've seen this effect for years now. (And I've taken advantage of it on numerous occasions.)

It's not always bigger, though. Sometimes it's smaller. (or is that just me?)
But I too have no idea why it differs at all.

 

[Karlington]

It's not always bigger, though. Sometimes it's smaller. (or is that just me?)
But I too have no idea why it differs at all.

This is pure conjecture on my part, but I'd imagine it could have to do with decimals. Perhaps the game rounds up or down to the nearest integer for display purposes, which then means that the total is a bit off when they are merged?

 

[Wenceslaus II.]

This is pure conjecture on my part, but I'd imagine it could have to do with decimals. Perhaps the game rounds up or down to the nearest integer for display purposes, which then means that the total is a bit off when they are merged?

Why wouldn't they just round up the number of boats in the first place, though?

 

[Karlington]

Why wouldn't they just round up the number of boats in the first place, though?

Good question! I wish I had an answer.