Crusader Kings II ~ Quick Answers

[TheRealRemus]

Holy war CBs (except the Muslim one) revoke all titles held by people you consider infidels. You can then freely pass them out.

Claim CBs always revoke at least 1 county for the claimant.

Great Holy Wars revoke all titles held by infidels. Crusades are currently Great Holy Wars, but will become their own thing with Holy Fury.

Invasions usurp all titles held by the invader, but are either hard to get or hard to win.

The various pagan religions have some conquest CBs. Prepared invasions are limited to 1 per ruler. County conquests are a single county. Tengri have one that grabs a kingdom and all the stuff you have seiged down.

Ah thanks very much! This is good to know.
But what about strong/weak claims?
I for instance have a weak claim on hungary and managed to declare war on them as they have a Queen (I may or may Not have imprisoned the heir, waited for him to inherit the throne and then executed him to get his daughter on the throne).
Will I only get the King title as soon as I win?

 

[Naughtius Maximus]

Ah thanks very much! This is good to know.
But what about strong/weak claims?
I for instance have a weak claim on hungary and managed to declare war on them as they have a Queen (I may or may Not have imprisoned the heir, waited for him to inherit the throne and then executed him to get his daughter on the throne).
Will I only get the King title as soon as I win?

Also for clarification. Muslim invasions are similar to Muslim Holy Wars. Preference for vassalization.

If the claimant is unlanded, he/she will usurp one de jure county. I think there is preference for de jure capital of title, but cannot confirm.

If claimant has land only title is usurped.

If victim of claim war has an equal tier title, the victim will not be vassalized and will lose all de jure counties of lost title.

 

[PépinleBref]

I am trying to press a courtier's weak claim against a regency, but it doesn't work.
The targeted ruler is a (male) child, and the courtier is an adult woman.
The targeted empire of Tibet has agnatic-cognatic gavelkind succession.
The targeted ruler is Buddhist, I am a Sunni Emperor.
I can press other claims against said ruler, even weak ones, even by other women.
So what am I missing? Are there any additional requirements I am not aware of to press (weak) claims?
I checked the wiki and reread the tooltip for weak claims, but as far as I can tell, I meet all of those conditions.
Any idea why it doesn't work?

 

[JMDurron]

Negative, creating a second duchy did not help. Starting a fresh game as the Byzantines did indicate that I could give out Duchy viceroyalties as them, but that didn't help me understand what is different about my game at the moment. :-( Do I need to own every single county as part of my demesne in order to give it out as a viceroyalty?



I may not have been very clear previously. I meant that I see no de jure drift of any Kingdoms anywhere on the map, within or beyond my territories. Iberia and France are both complete messes of bordergore at the moment, but none of the kingdoms or duchies appear to be drifting at all. The last time I started a game (which I abandoned when I bought new DLCs), I was able to hover over, say, the Duchy of Seville if it was owned by the Kingdom of Francia and see that it was drifting in the data that appeared over it. Nothing appears to be drifting anywhere, and I've triple-checked that I have the default De Jure game rules. Drift is on, and takes 100 years, but why is nothing drifting?

So, quick update to really drive home just how lost I am on my Duchy Viceroyalty situation. I finally re-inherited one of my Viceroyalty Kingdoms from a Viceroy (Wales), and did a quick check to see if holding a Kingdom (any Kingdom) as a title would enable the Duchy Viceroyalty option since I have Imperial Administration (earned legitimately) and the Duchy Viceroyalty law itself (via save edit when I was trying to figure out WTF is going on with this). It made no difference. If there is some kind of De Jure requirement (Duchy Viceroyalty must be within the De Jure borders of a Kingdom title that I also own, maybe?), then this test case would tell me nothing anyway, as I owned none of the 4 Duchies within the Kingdom of Wales, and my only Duchy is still the one in Brittany at the moment. I had no Duchies that I could create the title for within Wales.

Given that creating the Kingdom of Brittany previously did nothing to allow me to grant the Duchy of Brittany as a Viceroyalty in a previous attempt, unless there is *ALSO* some kind of De Jure requirement relating to the De Jure borders of my Empire (Britannia/Alba), I wasn't really expecting the Kingdom of Wales to help me out here. It's just yet another odd data point within this odd scenario I'm stuck with.

 

[Rydelfox]

Changing the law through save editing might have broken something - the law modding section of the wiki says that the law's effect block is executed when the law is passed, so, by editing your save, the law is in place without actually being passed. Try editing the law back, then passing it legitimately.

 

[Aardvark Bellay]

I am trying to press a courtier's weak claim against a regency, but it doesn't work.
The targeted ruler is a (male) child, and the courtier is an adult woman.
The targeted empire of Tibet has agnatic-cognatic gavelkind succession.
The targeted ruler is Buddhist, I am a Sunni Emperor.
I can press other claims against said ruler, even weak ones, even by other women.
So what am I missing? Are there any additional requirements I am not aware of to press (weak) claims?
I checked the wiki and reread the tooltip for weak claims, but as far as I can tell, I meet all of those conditions.
Any idea why it doesn't work?

The specific title you try to press the claim for allows no females, probably.
Contray to the other titles you mentioned.
Unless you try to press for the Tibet empire title itself with agnatic-cognatic, as you said.

If so, hmm..maybe the woman you try to press the claim for isn't fullfilling requirements.
Being incapable or so...not sure.
...
no clue currently else.

 

[JMDurron]

Changing the law through save editing might have broken something - the law modding section of the wiki says that the law's effect block is executed when the law is passed, so, by editing your save, the law is in place without actually being passed. Try editing the law back, then passing it legitimately.

That's a fair thought, I will do that. The only problem is that I already had passed Imperial Admin legitimately, which I'm pretty sure is all that I am supposed to need in order to make use of Duchy Viceroyalties. I only added in the Duchy Viceroyality law by edit to try to test if both Imperial Admin *AND* the independent addition of the Duchy Viceroyalty law were required, which appears to not be the case based upon the stock Byzantine scenario.

I'm guessing that this somehow all ties back to my moving my capital just after getting Imperial Administration, but before I had a Duchy available that I wanted to hand out as a Viceroyalty. I just wish I knew more about in what circumstances I *should* be able to hand them out, so I could understand A) how to get to that state if I'm not in it, or B) that I definitely have a bug situation on my hands, at which point I'll find some way to compensate myself via console/save edits to balance out the impact as I continue my playthrough. I don't want to abandon this thing just yet, but Duchy Viceroyalties were a key part of my "build up the British Isles to be strong enough when the Crusades get rolling, then manage the newly gained territories using Viceroyalties" strategy.

EDIT - Adding one observation, it appears that the De Jure drift was actually occurring, but did not make itself visible on the map mode until after the first 10 years of draft had occurred. Now I see that after 11 years, each of my counties in Brittany are experiencing De Jure drift into my Empire. If De Jure incorporation into my Empire is a requirement for the Duchy Viceroyalties, then that would make sense on some level and might indicate that I'm a mere 89 years away from being able to hand out that Duchy the way that I wanted to. It would also mean that my Crusade acquisition strategy is more or less hopeless unless I'm happy to wait 100 years to make use of Viceroyalties in my freshly conquered lands.

 

[Andrelvis]

That's a fair thought, I will do that. The only problem is that I already had passed Imperial Admin legitimately, which I'm pretty sure is all that I am supposed to need in order to make use of Duchy Viceroyalties.

The imperial administration law just sets your viceroyalty law to duchies, it doesn't grant the effect by itself. Maybe you lacked the requirements for the duchy viceroyalty law's potential block, resulting in it not being granted?

 

[Andrelvis]

I suppose that’s possible, but it appears that my Kingdom Viceroyalties function despite my not having Legslism 4 in my new capital yet. I’d be surprised if it treated Duchy Viceroyalties differently.

The lack of tech might be it. When you got imperial administration, possibly you didn't get the duchy viceroyalties law because you lacked the tech.

 

[Aardvark Bellay]

The lack of tech might be it. When you got imperial administration, possibly you didn't get the duchy viceroyalties law because you lacked the tech.

No
ImpAdmin is grants the ability to hand out duchy and kingdom viceroyalty titles.
Current tech level plays like CA no role and Viceroalty laws are seperate from ImpAdmin.

 

[Andrelvis]

No
ImpAdmin is grants the ability to hand out duchy viceroyalty titles.
Current tech level plays no role.

This is the effect block for imperial administration:

           if = {
               limit = { has_law = ze_administration_laws_0 }
               custom_tooltip = {
                   text = TOOLTIP_ze_administration_laws_1
               }
           }
           if = {
               limit = {
                   NOT = { has_dlc = "Charlemagne" }
               }
               set_allow_free_duchy_revokation = yes
           }
           if  = {
               limit = {
                   has_dlc = "Charlemagne"
               }
               add_law = vice_royalty_2
               set_allow_free_vice_royalty_revokation = yes
           }
           hidden_tooltip = {
               revoke_law = ze_administration_laws_0
               revoke_law = ze_administration_laws_1
           }

It does not allow duchy viceroyalties by itself, it just sets the "vice_royalty_2" law (which is the duchy viceroyalty one).

Compare with the effect block of the duchy viceroyalties law itself:

           hidden_tooltip = {
               revoke_law = vice_royalty_0
               revoke_law = vice_royalty_1
               revoke_law = vice_royalty_2
           }
           set_allow_vice_royalties = duke

The command "set_allow_vice_royalties = duke" is unique to the duchy viceroyalties law; if imperial administration granted that effect by itself the command would be present there as well.

 

[Aardvark Bellay]

This is the effect block for imperial administration:

           if = {
               limit = { has_law = ze_administration_laws_0 }

That's for Conclave, but he has no Conlcave DLC, as he said earlier.

 

[Andrelvis]

That's for Conclave, but he has no Conlcave DLC, as he said earlier.

Without Conclave it's the same thing. This is how the Imperial Administration effect block looks like in the non-Conclave version:

           if = {
               limit = {
                   NOT = { has_dlc = "Charlemagne" }
               }
               set_allow_free_duchy_revokation = yes
           }
           if  = {
               limit = {
                   has_dlc = "Charlemagne"
               }
               add_law = vice_royalty_2
               set_allow_free_vice_royalty_revokation = yes
           }
           hidden_tooltip = {
               revoke_law = feudal_administration
           }

It, again, just sets the duchy viceroyalties law, and not the effect by itself.

 

[JMDurron]

This is the effect block for imperial administration:

           if = {
               limit = { has_law = ze_administration_laws_0 }
               custom_tooltip = {
                   text = TOOLTIP_ze_administration_laws_1
               }
           }
           if = {
               limit = {
                   NOT = { has_dlc = "Charlemagne" }
               }
               set_allow_free_duchy_revokation = yes
           }
           if  = {
               limit = {
                   has_dlc = "Charlemagne"
               }
               add_law = vice_royalty_2
               set_allow_free_vice_royalty_revokation = yes
           }
           hidden_tooltip = {
               revoke_law = ze_administration_laws_0
               revoke_law = ze_administration_laws_1
           }

It does not allow duchy viceroyalties by itself, it just sets the "vice_royalty_2" law (which is the duchy viceroyalty one).

Compare with the effect block of the duchy viceroyalties law itself:

           hidden_tooltip = {
               revoke_law = vice_royalty_0
               revoke_law = vice_royalty_1
               revoke_law = vice_royalty_2
           }
           set_allow_vice_royalties = duke

The command "set_allow_vice_royalties = duke" is unique to the duchy viceroyalties law; if imperial administration granted that effect by itself the command would be present there as well.

On the one hand, this is very helpful and I appreciate you digging into this so deeply. On the other hand...why does Imperial Administration set the law to Duchy Viceroyalties AND describe itself as permitting Duchy Viceroyalties if it doesn't ACTUALLY allow Duchy Viceroyalties? It seems like the whole point of Imperial Administration (and by extension, the whole point of my teching up Majesty to allow it instead of Legalism to hit the Duchy Viceroyalty law) is that it provides both Kingdom and Duchy Viceroyalties!

According to the wiki (https://ck2.paradoxwikis.com/Demesne_laws#Administration), and everything I've read so far in this forum and on Reddit, the wiki statement "Note that Imperial Administration automatically gains ability to have kingdom and duchy viceroys, regardless of legalism." is (supposed to be) accurate. Regardless of legalism being the key phrase here.

 

[Aardvark Bellay]

Without Conclave it's the same thing. This is how the Imperial Administration effect block looks ..

As soon as you select ImpAdmin it sets Viceroyalty Laws to duchies.
I even tested that again in game with cheating me the tech and allowing laws as germany in 1066.

One that makes me wonder is that you need Legalism 5 to get Absolute CA and Majesty 5 for ImpAdmin ,.

 

[Andrelvis]

As soon as you select ImpAdmin it sets Viceroyalty Laws to duchies.
I even tested that again in game with cheating me the tech and allowing laws as germany in 1066.

Yes, but he said himself that this isn't happening, so something is behind it. He expected ImpAdmin to grant the effect by itself (even if he didn't have the duchy viceroyalties law), but that didn't occur in his case. The potential blocks for non-Conclave imperial administration and duchy viceroyalties are also the same (other than the requirement of the Charlemange DLC for viceroyalties), so the tech seemed like the only difference. So maybe it's just a bug that he, for some reason, didn't get the duchy viceroyalties law?

 

[Aardvark Bellay]

Y... He expected ImpAdmin to grant the effect by itself...

And it does.

 

[Aardvark Bellay]

On the one hand,..

Look in Realm - Viceroyalty.
Is it set to "Kingdoms" ?

If so, that doesn't change to "Kingdoms" simply by moving your capital to another (less tech) location.
Either you did it in game or when save editing.

De jure your empire or not also doesn't matter.

Apart from me wondering how you got to Absolute CA and Majesty and Legalism 5, which are requirements for finally getting ImpAdmin,
with Ireland in around 140 years without cheating...

 

[PépinleBref]

The specific title you try to press the claim for allows no females, probably.
Contray to the other titles you mentioned.
Unless you try to press for the Tibet empire title itself with agnatic-cognatic, as you said.

If so, hmm..maybe the woman you try to press the claim for isn't fullfilling requirements.
Being incapable or so...not sure.
...
no clue currently else.

Thanks for the answer.
I think I figured it out myself though. It seems to be the Sunni religion of the female claimant.
Apparently you can't press claims of female Sunni claimants, period. (Probably the same is true for the other Islamic denominations but I haven't tested that)
I couldn't even press a Sunni woman's strong claim against an underage girl for a title with agnatic-cognatic gavelkind succession.

It might have something to do with the succession law change to "agnatic open" a Sunni ruler forces onto a title, i.e. the game might consider all succession laws to be agnatic only, when it comes to evaluating the eligibility for pressing a claim of a Sunni claimant.

I don't know if this is a bug or working as intended though.

I'm also not sure if or how this is affected by "Status of Women" laws that would allow cognatic succession for Muslims.

 

[Aardvark Bellay]

Thanks for the answer.
I think I figured it out myself though. It seems to be the Sunni religion of the female claimant...

Ah yes, you are sunni of course.
Nah, that's working fine and as intended as i recall. I had just forgotten that it's the case in general and not only towards muslimic states.
Good to get reminded of that again before i play a muslim once again some day.