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Any advanced advice for a "new" player?

Play trial and error (and/or read the Wiki while playing) and become an "old" player.

Register your game to access subforums like the one for mods/modding.

Start a thread of your own and give a litle more detail/background/info or post in here again but with much more detail.
This is the "Quick Answers" question thread.
 

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The game plays very differently than a typical strategy. You need to realize that you play a person (or rather a series of people) and not a country. Understanding that concept and the feudal system are the two main things for a new player.

Other than that I agree with Aardvark Bellay.
 

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So, I am playing as Poland with the goal of forming Wendish empire and I have conquered several provinces of Lithuania (thank God Almighty and Holy Virgin for miltiary organization IV).

Uhm, what am I supposed to do with tribal holdings->uselss post-tribal provinces? :p
 
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So, I am playing as Poland with the goal of forming Wendish empire and I have conquered several provinces of Lithuania (thank God Almighty and Holy Virgin for miltiary organization IV).

Uhm, what am I supposed to do with tribal holdings->uselss post-tribal provinces? :p

Do you mean the tribal counties you conquered ? Well, convert them or hand them out to vassals who will adopt feudalism and thus convert the holdings.
If you got tribal subholdings, convert them yourself or hand them out like any barony, which then will convert sooner or later and most likely into a castle.
 

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Do you mean the tribal counties you conquered ? Well, convert them or hand them out to vassals who will adopt feudalism and thus convert the holdings.
If you got tribal subholdings, convert them yourself or hand them out like any barony, which then will convert sooner or later and most likely into a castle.

What he said. If the province gets to Reinforced Hillfort IV then it can convert into a Castle which also immediately creates a free City and Temple. You will of course need to hand these out but you will get tax and levies for them so that's a nice big burst of free stuff right there.
 

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What he said. If the province gets to Reinforced Hillfort IV then it can convert into a Castle which also immediately creates a free City and Temple. You will of course need to hand these out but you will get tax and levies for them so that's a nice big burst of free stuff right there.
They could also potentially build the Market City, and swap over to a city, although that's unlikely. Since the AI tries to stay "in line"with the rulers government when they swap over.
 

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Whats the deal with young courtiers dying of "old age" or "poor health" in large numbers?
I seduced ~10 girls under their 20s, invited them to my court and they are falling like flies (like, one per month). I checked the pruning line in the defines.lua and it clearly says that characters younger than 40yo wont be pruned. Also, I believe I saw somewhere that lovers are omitted as well.
 

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If a court has a lot of people in it, everyone gets a health and fertility penalty. This is separate from pruning, which only happens to AI courts anyway.
I think the penalty starts at 30 people and scales up from there. If you are doing something like a breeding program, it's best to start kicking out people you don't want in order to avoid getting to crowded.
 

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Which are the two best duchies on India? I know that the best counties are Delhi and Cholamandalam. But I'm looking for an specific duchy, since all the good counties on India seem to be quite spread out. There is the Kannauj (Kanjakubja) duchy, but it's inland.

Also, are Goa, Laskmanavati, Debul and Mathura good enough to keep on my demesne?
 

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If a court has a lot of people in it, everyone gets a health and fertility penalty. This is separate from pruning, which only happens to AI courts anyway.
I think the penalty starts at 30 people and scales up from there. If you are doing something like a breeding program, it's best to start kicking out people you don't want in order to avoid getting to crowded.

We really ought to have an option for freeloaders, an automated boot to everyone who isn't marked as important, recently hired, doesn't hold a title or a job. Would do a lot to stop people coming as refugees and bringing me over 60 court members, or worthless court members raising their family in court and filling it even more with people i don't need.
 

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Which are the two best duchies on India? I know that the best counties are Delhi and Cholamandalam. But I'm looking for an specific duchy, since all the good counties on India seem to be quite spread out. There is the Kannauj (Kanjakubja) duchy, but it's inland.

Also, are Goa, Laskmanavati, Debul and Mathura good enough to keep on my demesne?

I like Chera Nadu, 5 counties all coastal. The silk road province there has 6 holdings I think. I give the Maldives to someone else (it's small and a pain to get troops from at the early starts), and hold the 4 mainland counties. Build out with cities and maybe hold an extra castle in your capital.
Outside of the capital duchy, the rest of your demense should be silk road counties. If you prevent the duchies from forming you won't have any opinion malus to worry about.
 

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If a court has a lot of people in it, everyone gets a health and fertility penalty.

I don't recall anyone mentioning that the court fertility line in defines effects health as well, espcially that much and it hasn't happened either before
pruning was officially integrated.
Despite all claims by the devs the pruning happens to the player as well...apart from the killing off of some courtiers on death of the character.*

* at least before 2.8.1. I haven't seriously played CK2 since.
 

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Okay, since I'm going with a custom ruler, what kind of culture should I pick, Assamesse or Hindustani? Do the Dravidic cultures have any advantage over Indo-Aryan ones, or vice versa? Only thing that comes on my mind is that only Indo-Aryans can use the Kama Sutra :v
 

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The only difference I'm aware of are the portraits. Beyond that the Indian subjugation CB can only be used against a ruler from your culture group, so which you pick determines who you can subjugate, but I don't count that as a property of the culture.
 

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What would a Theologian vassal (eg. Archpriest) provide me as a tribal ruler (king tier)? I am considering turning a small duchy with church holdings in all counties into a theocracy (grant counties to clergy, make one of them duke). Would the duke-level priest provide levies? Would I be able to call him to war like my other tribal vassals?

I figure that since I have to keep a holy man on my council anyway, I might as well make him a significant vassal. Duke level tribal leaders only provide me with their demesne troops when I call them anyway, so even a moderate amount of levies from a clergy vassal might be just a good, plus the clergy are nice and docile most of the time.
 

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What would a Theologian vassal (eg. Archpriest) provide me as a tribal ruler (king tier)? I am considering turning a small duchy with church holdings in all counties into a theocracy (grant counties to clergy, make one of them duke). Would the duke-level priest provide levies? Would I be able to call him to war like my other tribal vassals?

I figure that since I have to keep a holy man on my council anyway, I might as well make him a significant vassal. Duke level tribal leaders only provide me with their demesne troops when I call them anyway, so even a moderate amount of levies from a clergy vassal might be just a good, plus the clergy are nice and docile most of the time.

I'm not 100% on this but I believe the following is true:
- you can't call them to arms, since only tribal vassals are called to arms;
- you can raise their levies, but these most likely won't be great since you are in an underdeveloped area, so poor tech and little money for them to upgrade.
- they will pay taxes, unlike tribals, but this will again be poor since poor area;
- they will dislike you for being of the wrong government type, which will further decrease their liege levies and taxes to you.

So from a gameplay perspective not that great an idea, but can be cool role-playing?
 

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Thanks for the reply!

I figure that since I can guarantee him a place on my council, this will more or less balance out the wrong government modifier (-20 for wrong government, +15 for being on council). I was just not sure if I would get levies out of him or not, since the wiki only states that I cannot call him to arms, but not whether I then get levies instead.

My thinking is that, as levies include all his vassals holdings, I will get something out of the counts/barons under him this way. If I put a tribal leader as duke instead, I would get 100% of his demesne levies if he answers my call to war, but I would never get anything from the counts/barons under him. I suspect that if there are enough holdings under the duke and I bump up his obligations a bit, I will get more or less the same troops out of him, with a more agreeable vassal (cannot refuse call to arms, has limited personal ambitions).

The next question then becomes what happens in the church-owned counties when I eventually turn feudal. Do the tribes eventually turn feudal like normal count level tribal vassals? Will the construction of a free city trigger at some point, as it would if a tribal count turns feudal?
 

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Thanks for the reply!

I figure that since I can guarantee him a place on my council, this will more or less balance out the wrong government modifier (-20 for wrong government, +15 for being on council). I was just not sure if I would get levies out of him or not, since the wiki only states that I cannot call him to arms, but not whether I then get levies instead.

My thinking is that, as levies include all his vassals holdings, I will get something out of the counts/barons under him this way. If I put a tribal leader as duke instead, I would get 100% of his demesne levies if he answers my call to war, but I would never get anything from the counts/barons under him. I suspect that if there are enough holdings under the duke and I bump up his obligations a bit, I will get more or less the same troops out of him, with a more agreeable vassal (cannot refuse call to arms, has limited personal ambitions).

The next question then becomes what happens in the church-owned counties when I eventually turn feudal. Do the tribes eventually turn feudal like normal count level tribal vassals? Will the construction of a free city trigger at some point, as it would if a tribal count turns feudal?

If there are feudal vassals under them then maybe the math works out a bit more positive, but that's going to depend on a lot of factors I think. From your second question I gather however that that they (also) have tribal barons? If they only have tribal barons then it would be far more beneficial to make those the county holders, if they have both feudal and tribal barons again it is a matter of math.

In any case tribal barons should be able to feudalize under the same conditions as other tribals. The problem they have however is that they have a hard time getting gold to get the necessary holding upgrades, because as tribals they need to raid to get it, but as barons they have very few troops. So you might need to upgrade their holdings for them or give them gold to do it themselves.
 

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The current situation is that there are 6 counties, all of them with a tribe as capitol. 4 of those counties have churches, which i could make the new county capitols instead. That would create a situation where I have 1 duke level clergy vassal, with 3 clergy counts, 2 tribal counts and 1 tribal baron directly under him. The 3 clergy counts then each have 1 tribal baron under them. As levies don't care about power structure, I would get levies based on 10 holdings no matter who holds what. If I put the tribes in charge, I will get only get 1 tribal holding worth of troops (the duke) that I can then call to war.

It is a good point about raiding though, I had not thought of that. I guess I could let the tribes run the counties and then just have the main county run by the clergy, though that is just begging for some tribal count to usurp the clergy duke, as he will have more troops.