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Do Event troops die? My Liege got hit with Prepared Invasion of Burgundy in 929 and Lost! I lost Two Ducal Titles(Upper Burgunbdy and Savoy) even though my holdings never fell.

The Invader was the Norse Duke of Bavaria, whose liege is my Brother-in-Law, the Karling King of East Francia. I am now his vassal and can't recreate the Ducal Titles

If he didn't have 15k event troops I could win a war of Independence swear fealty to E. Francia and recreate the titles.
 

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Do Event troops die? My Liege got hit with Prepared Invasion of Burgundy in 929 and Lost! I lost Two Ducal Titles(Upper Burgunbdy and Savoy) even though my holdings never fell.

The Invader was the Norse Duke of Bavaria, whose liege is my Brother-in-Law, the Karling King of East Francia. I am now his vassal and can't recreate the Ducal Titles

If he didn't have 15k event troops I could win a war of Independence swear fealty to E. Francia and recreate the titles.
Event troops die when they are murdered. Invasion troops generally tend to stick around after the fact to give the invader time to build up a defense and be able to spread out a little.

I think, but I'm not sure if they disband when the leader of the invasion dies.
 

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It allows you to invite heathens, like always. They probably won't join unless you have the usual good reasons to move, such as claims.

I forgot the benefits of changing the government type, but I do know that if you do so, China may view you as a "rival Empire".

It does not remove the wrong religion penalties.
Ok thx. I will prefer to invade china and set a relative on the throne then.
 

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Does Almos Arpady/ Arpad Arpady appear on Magyar lands in 867 if you started on the Carolingian date? Same thing with Rurik (Norse/Rus lands) and Piast (Poland). Given, of course, that those lands still exists, as well as the Magyar, Norse and Polish cultures.

I say this because I'm on year 865 and they hadn't appeared. There have been some Almos and Arpad on Magyar lands, but all of them belong to the Jeno dinasty (the one currently ruling the tribe). Should I wait to the exact date (867) for them to appear? It's necessary the existance of a Bulgarian state for that? Because there is a Avar-Bolghar kingdom called Pannonia around Pest, Wallachia and Transylvania, but Bulgaria proper was swallowed by the Byzantine empire, and the Dulo house wiped out...

On the last game that I started on 769 the Arpady never appeared, probably because I took Hungary from the Bulgars and Avars a couple of decades before, and when the the marked date came, those lands were converted to my culture and feudalized.
 

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Does Almos Arpady/ Arpad Arpady appear on Magyar lands in 867 if you started on the Carolingian date? Same thing with Rurik (Norse/Rus lands) and Piast (Poland). Given, of course, that those lands still exists, as well as the Magyar, Norse and Polish cultures.

I say this because I'm on year 865 and they hadn't appeared. There have been some Almos and Arpad on Magyar lands, but all of them belong to the Jeno dinasty (the one currently ruling the tribe). Should I wait to the exact date (867) for them to appear? It's necessary the existance of a Bulgarian state for that? Because there is a Avar-Bolghar kingdom called Pannonia around Pest, Wallachia and Transylvania, but Bulgaria proper was swallowed by the Byzantine empire, and the Dulo house wiped out...

On the last game that I started on 769 the Arpady never appeared, probably because I took Hungary from the Bulgars and Avars a couple of decades before, and when the the marked date came, those lands were converted to my culture and feudalized.

In the 867 start Rurik is in charge of d_novgorod plus some counties as a tribal ruler. The Arpad's are in charge of the Magyars who are invading Bulgaria to seize Hungary.

If you start in the earlier bookmark neither of them are likely to appear as there aren't scripted events to create them.

eta: Piast is a tribal leader in the 867 start as well (d_greater_poland)
 

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Really? Because on the prior game, when those three didn't appear, both Seljuk and Sabuktigin appeared and did their things. Both died shortly after, (Seljuk was killed by a Ottoman-sized Byzantine Empire, and Sabuktigin was defeated and killed by the Chauhan king of Rajastan) but they indeed appeared around 965,

The Magyars are classified as an horde, like the Turks, Mongols and Aztecs, so I though that their arrival was set by default, albeit the absence of Rurik and Piast can be easily understood. But it's a bit odd, since the Cantabria (Asturias dinasty) and Capet (France) families still appear on the same date.
 
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Seljuk and Sabuktigin do have special event chains that create them (and a related game rule), but the aforementioned three don't.
 

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Which religion is better as when playing Russian... Orthodoxy, or Reformed Slavic?

And, if I control both Spain and Italy, should I keep Spanish culture, or switch to Italian culture for the pikemen retinue bonus?
 

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Which religion is better as when playing Russian... Orthodoxy, or Reformed Slavic?

And, if I control both Spain and Italy, should I keep Spanish culture, or switch to Italian culture for the pikemen retinue bonus?
Reformed Pagan religions are pretty amazing, if you're able to pull it off.

I forgot what the Spanish retinue is, but isn't it light cavalry heavy? It's really going to depend on how you like to play. Pikemen take very minimal damage in fights, light Cav absolutely ride down any retreating enemy.
 

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Orthodoxy is better for diplomacy, Reformed Slavic is better for war in general and defensive wars in particular.

During my retinue testing I found that if you mix your retinues with your levy skirmish units work better, but if you gather all your retinues on a flank of their own (so no levies, just retinues) melee units work better. So if you want to use the retinue on it's own switching to Italian would be beneficial, but if you'll be mixing it freely with levies I would suggest staying Iberian.
 

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If I attack a tributary of a suzerain with whom I have non-aggression pact, will the suzerain be able to answer call to war from his tributary ?
 

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If I attack a tributary of a suzerain with whom I have non-aggression pact, will the suzerain be able to answer call to war from his tributary ?
Yes.
 

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Is there any decent coastal province in the de-jure Russian territory? If not, which one of those is the best: Belgorod, Oleshye, Tana or Crimea?
 
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Is there any decent coastal province in the de-jure Russian territory? If not, which one of those is the best: Belgorod, Oleshye, Tana or Saray?

It depends on what you mean by "decent" and "best"...

The only coastal provinces in de jure Russia (empire) are the four on the White Sea (d_Bjarmia except Romny), none of which are particularly good (2 or 3 base holdings).

Saray is not coastal, Oleshye has the most holding slots (6 vs 5 for Belgorod and 4 for Tana), Belgorod is the best to have as your southern border, Tana has the silk Road. Which of the three is best depends on what you're looking for.

If you're looking at it in terms of the "best" place to start a vassal MR in a typical Russia playthrough I'd suggest Kurzeme/d_Curonia. If you force me to pick one of the listed then I'd say Tana is the least objectionable.
 

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Understood. I think that I'll pick that Livonian county as a vassal MR and maybe keep Belgorod in my demesne if I'm on desperate need of having a fleet. But, overall, what is the best Russian duchy? Off my mind there are those: Kiev, Moskva, Vladimir and Novgorod, though I'm leaning more towards Kiev or Vladimir.

How much competition would face a vassal MR in Curonia from the Hansa, given that the MR is established around 980-1000? Also, do MRs have a limit on the amount of post that they can build? Playing as the Roman Empire, I have Amalfi as one, and they've ignored the Spanish Levant, the Phoenician Levant and southern Anatonia, and, for some reason, placed a lot of posts in Portugal and the Atlantic coast of Morroco. Bad news, since those areas are much more exposed to raiding than those in the Mediterranean (or the Black Sea), though at some point I got Gallipoli raided by the Canarian Guanches (is there even a way to stop/intercept raiding navies? or we only can wait powerless, looking for where they're going to land?).

That said, how badly is the Baltic coast affected by Norse raiding? With the Roman empire I think that I got lucky, because my catholic Capetian neighbors went into a preching spree, converting Scandinavia, Poland and Hungary in the span of a century. (I dunno how they did it, it took me almost 300 years to do the same with Ruthenia and Rus).
 
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Merchant republics are indeed limited in the number of trade posts they can set up. Each republic has 5 patrician families and each family can by default only have as many trade posts as it has living adult males. This number is modified by technology and the bonus from the family palace.

The Hansa will only get set up in the 13th century IIRC, so if you set up your MR two centuries earlier you should have a good head start and the Hansa shouldn't be much of a problem.

What will be a problem are the Norse raiders. There isn't really much you can do to put an end to raiding other than conquer the raiders. Since the Germanic Pagan religion and the Norse culture both allow raiding they only lose the ability to raid after they've both converted to another religion (typically Catholic) and the Norse culture split into the various North Germanic cultures. The latter can only start happening after 950 and the entire process can take centuries to complete.

As mentioned before, of the duchies Vladimir is the best, presuming you can only have one. Here's the rundown of counties and total holding slots:
- Vladimir: 5 counties, 24 holdings
- Novogrod: 4 counties, 18 holdings
- Kiev: 2 counties, 13 holdings
- Chernigov: 2 counties, 12 holdings
- Moskva: 2 counties, 11 holdings