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So, the wife of my ruler's heir is in another ruler's dungeon. There doesn't appear to be any way to ransom her or fight for her release. As it stands, she has no children, so her heir is the Duke who is imprisoning her.

1) Is there any way of getting her out? Perhaps fabricating a claim on the county she is being imprisoned in and then capturing it?

2) If not, what's the best way to end the marriage so my ruler's heir can marry someone else?

1) Is your heir landed? If he's landed, he might be able to ransom her. Make sure he has enough money. If your son and she are in your realm, you should be able to ransom her. Otherwise, I don't think it's easy to free her. If you can unland the other guy entirely, that might work, but war alone will not. The free from captivity option (intrigue focus) is an option if the other guy is in your greater realm (e.g. you're both under the same king).

2) Ye ol' standby is murder. Start the plot! When you inherit as him, you can also request divorce.
 

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It's done the same way as any one else does it. Own the current capital and the city, right click on the city, select "make capital", and then give it away to someone through the Grant Title diplomatic option just like you would a Feudal Count.

Ah, thanks. I had figured it out several hours ago and forgot to delete my question, sorry.

Anyways a new question I had was I know Merchant Republics have limited crown authority, but could you get imperial administration as a merchant republic/before swapping to Merchant Republic?

Something else I was thinking was that since you are stuck with low crown authority as a Merchant Republic, do your vassals declare wars? I was planning on having republics as most of my head vassals and I have heard they are rather passive in declaring wars or forging claims (I presume due to the fact that some random bloke takes their place after they die) is it just so the five patrician families can fight with eachother or can the other famlies fight for land in and out of the realm?
 
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1) Is your heir landed? If he's landed, he might be able to ransom her. Make sure he has enough money. If your son and she are in your realm, you should be able to ransom her. Otherwise, I don't think it's easy to free her. If you can unland the other guy entirely, that might work, but war alone will not. The free from captivity option (intrigue focus) is an option if the other guy is in your greater realm (e.g. you're both under the same king).
I experimented by landing my heir and giving him money, but there was no ransoming, at least not in the next couple of weeks of play. The imprisoner and my ruler are both Dukes in the Holy Roman Empire, but I could see no "free from captivity" option in the intrigue focus - maybe that will only show when my heir is the ruler?
 

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I experimented by landing my heir and giving him money, but there was no ransoming, at least not in the next couple of weeks of play. The imprisoner and my ruler are both Dukes in the Holy Roman Empire, but I could see no "free from captivity" option in the intrigue focus - maybe that will only show when my heir is the ruler?

If your heir was unlanded, he should be in your court which means his wife should have your court as home as well (unless she were also landed). If that's all true, you should be able to ransom her yourself, and if you're both in the HRE, you should be able to target her for "free" as well. Once you land your son, this all changes (it *should* be easier with him in your court).

Sometimes wives and husbands end up in separate courts. It's not normal, and I think it's unintended. You could also try giving HER money to see if she can get herself ransomed -- if she holds a claim on her imprisoner's title, he wouldn't let her out anyway.
 

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The heir's wife was a vassal Countess in a Duchy. I presume her liege, the Duke, imprisoned her because her title was going to be inherited out of his land, although I didn't see the notification.

I tested by force-killing my ruler via console command so his heir became ruler, but there was no intrigue options to secure her release, only to plot to kill her. Surely a ruler should be able to try and do something to release his wife from imprisonment? I could easily defeat the Duke militarily. Or is the only option divorce/murder? Since releasing the Countess means he will lose his county, I don't suppose the Duke has much reason to agree to a release.
 

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Why can't I protect my son? I have just succeeded in taking the the Duchy of Hwicce from England in my Holy War invasion, I landed my son as I had too many lands following my victory, now my son has declared a Holy War aswell. England are incredibly weak just a month out of my 40k man demolition of their lands... but I can't get involved? England have a puny 4k army sieging my sons lands and I have to just watch?
 

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Why can't I protect my son? I have just succeeded in taking the the Duchy of Hwicce from England in my Holy War invasion, I landed my son as I had too many lands following my victory, now my son has declared a Holy War aswell. England are incredibly weak just a month out of my 40k man demolition of their lands... but I can't get involved? England have a puny 4k army sieging my sons lands and I have to just watch?
Yes, as his liege you can't get involved.
The best you can do is reinvade England, have english troops be hostile to you (if you can, raid english lands), or send tons of money to your son so he'll get mercenaries
 

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Yes, as his liege you can't get involved.
The best you can do is reinvade England, have english troops be hostile to you (if you can, raid english lands), or send tons of money to your son so he'll get mercenaries

This is my thinking too. I can't risk my heir being imprisoned or killed while I wait on my ruler to die of old age. Only trouble is invading England again so soon is going to cost me 1527.5 prestige out of 2655. Is that any real draw back to losing this prestige?
 

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You'll lose 5 opinion with all your vassals (every 200 points of prestige give you +1 opinion with your vassals, with a max of +10), and truce breaking will lower the opinion of everyone in the religious group of the target (but since you use holy wars it's either another religious group - which will be fine - or a heretic - which will lower the opinion of your own religious group)
But that's all
 

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You'll lose 5 opinion with all your vassals (every 200 points of prestige give you +1 opinion with your vassals, with a max of +10), and truce breaking will lower the opinion of everyone in the religious group of the target (but since you use holy wars it's either another religious group - which will be fine - or a heretic - which will lower the opinion of your own religious group)
But that's all

Thank you, I think I'll take the prestige hit to protect my heir, expanding both kingdoms at once (My son is fighting to claim part of Wales to go with the entire South he runs) and I plan to take Mercia (having already taken Hwicce, both being England's two strongest Duchies)
 

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The heir's wife was a vassal Countess in a Duchy. I presume her liege, the Duke, imprisoned her because her title was going to be inherited out of his land, although I didn't see the notification.

I tested by force-killing my ruler via console command so his heir became ruler, but there was no intrigue options to secure her release, only to plot to kill her. Surely a ruler should be able to try and do something to release his wife from imprisonment? I could easily defeat the Duke militarily. Or is the only option divorce/murder? Since releasing the Countess means he will lose his county, I don't suppose the Duke has much reason to agree to a release.

As a ruling countess, she's in her own court which means only she can ransom herself. Go back and apply the previous rules I mentioned. Basically, if she has the money, she COULD ransom herself. Who knows if she will.

Imprisoning her won't keep the county from leaving his duchy. That's not how it works.
 

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As a ruling countess, she's in her own court which means only she can ransom herself. Go back and apply the previous rules I mentioned. Basically, if she has the money, she COULD ransom herself. Who knows if she will.

Imprisoning her won't keep the county from leaving his duchy. That's not how it works.
The Duke that's imprisoning her is showing as her heir, though. I'll try ransoming again later.
 

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If I have Gavelkind and my Character has two Duchies and several sons will each Duchy be inherited by a different son with remaining sons becoming count vassals?

Yes, Gavelkind splits up the realm on succession.

The Duke that's imprisoning her is showing as her heir, though. I'll try ransoming again later.

If they are rivals he probably won't ever ransom her, FYI.

Thank you, I think I'll take the prestige hit to protect my heir, expanding both kingdoms at once (My son is fighting to claim part of Wales to go with the entire South he runs) and I plan to take Mercia (having already taken Hwicce, both being England's two strongest Duchies)

Why break the truce? Can you raid them? If so, do that instead. You turn hostile to their troops when you raid them, so you can wipe out their armies while your son actually sieges down holdings for war score. It's a tactic I like to use a lot to screw with the Umayyads in the early starts.

Anyways a new question I had was I know Merchant Republics have limited crown authority, but could you get imperial administration as a merchant republic/before swapping to Merchant Republic?

You can't have Imperial Admin before changing to a MR, because you can't change from Feudal to Republican (without mods, I think the exploits/bugs have been squashed?). If you can get the ERE as your primary you should get Imperial Admin though, but other threads have said it's not working lately, so I'm not sure.

Something else I was thinking was that since you are stuck with low crown authority as a Merchant Republic, do your vassals declare wars? I was planning on having republics as most of my head vassals and I have heard they are rather passive in declaring wars or forging claims (I presume due to the fact that some random bloke takes their place after they die) is it just so the five patrician families can fight with eachother or can the other famlies fight for land in and out of the realm?

Your vassals will still war, and I think regular republics will stay more pacifist yes. I haven't run with them because I play with the rule limiting them, and I usually play as Feudal. Without higher Crown Authority (I take it you don't have Conclave?), you can't stop vassals from fighting internal or external wars. That's one of the major trade offs Merchant Republics have.
 

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If they are rivals he probably won't ever ransom her, FYI.
The Duke is a child and neither he or his Regent have a "Rival" character status with the Countess. I gave her 500 gold and she didn't ransom herself.

It feels a bit unsatisfactory that there seems to be nothing I can do. I'm considering two options, executed through console commands:

a) Move the Countess to my court and pay the Duke some money as ransom.

b) Fight a war with the Duke over a claim I have on one of his counties. If I get 100% warscore in that, then offer white peace and move the Countess to my court.

I prefer the second option.
 

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Your vassals will still war, and I think regular republics will stay more pacifist yes. I haven't run with them because I play with the rule limiting them, and I usually play as Feudal. Without higher Crown Authority (I take it you don't have Conclave?), you can't stop vassals from fighting internal or external wars. That's one of the major trade offs Merchant Republics have.

I do have conclave, does it change much in the matter of crown authority?
 

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So I followed through with my plan to declare war to get my ruler's heir's wife released from her imprisonment in another ruler's dungeon. I spent around 800 gold, including borrowing money, when the Holy Roman Emperor declared Realm Peace before I get over the victory line.

Now my ruler has died and the heir has inherited the throne, with his wife still in prison. Since it doesn't looks like she's going to be released, I need a divorce, but the Pope will not accept my offer. How can I get him to accept the divorce?

EDIT: I tested by giving him a gift and then buying a favour, and the Pope consented. It'll cost around 1200 gold. What a disaster!

2ND EDIT: Well, it doesn't matter any more as the situation has resolved itself. This feels like it could be the beginning of a medieval revenge saga...

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What's the Order of Succession in this game for Primogeniture? Specifically in this instance: a ruler (Brother #1) has no children, and his next oldest brother (Brother #2) is dead, while the youngest brother (Brother #3) is alive. Would the next in line after the ruler be the first brother's son (Son of Brother #2), or the second brother (Brother #3)?
 

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It should be the son of Brother #2, as dead characters are seen as if they died right after the succession when calculating the succession order.

Since you have no son, the game searches for your father's next son (your brother), ans since he's dead, so the game takes his first son