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What's the difference between an Archduke and a Grandduke..

There is nothing like that in the unmodded game.

and why are there Archbishop's but no Archduke's in the game
An Archbishop is simply a bishop with a duke title.
 

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I know that, I'm just want to know what the difference between the two and why there no Archduke title in the game.
Titles are different across countries and freely invented whenever someone thought they had something to gain and passed into common use if they had enough power to enforce it so as a whole arbitrary as hell. Paradox decided to mostly just ignore the whole mess and go with the tiers of baron/count/duke/king/emperor only.

For those specifically a bunch of people were annoyed the duke title was not so great anymore so tried to make themselves a better title, enough did so that 'Grand Duke' passed into common use. And the Habsburgs went even further managing to get their made-up title of 'Archduke' to stand above that.
 

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Titles are different across countries and freely invented whenever someone thought they had something to gain and passed into common use if they had enough power to enforce it so as a whole arbitrary as hell. Paradox decided to mostly just ignore the whole mess and go with the tiers of baron/count/duke/king/emperor only.

For those specifically a bunch of people were annoyed the duke title was not so great anymore so tried to make themselves a better title, enough did so that 'Grand Duke' passed into common use. And the Habsburgs went even further managing to get their made-up title of 'Archduke' to stand above that.

Wow so pretty much Archduke is just a made up title that holds the same amount of power as a Duke the same goes for the Grandduke title as well, am I understanding this correctly?
 

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Wow so pretty much Archduke is just a made up title that holds the same amount of power as a Duke the same goes for the Grandduke title as well, am I understanding this correctly?
Not quite, it is somewhat confusing due to how today we see and use noble titles as something fixed and universally agreed upon but power and titles are not directly connected, instead the latter is a matter of prestige and recognition.

Titles such as king and, especially, emperor were not something you could just claim/create/lose based on power* and over the course of the Middle Ages dukes went from rulers of large territories or sovereign rulers to what we see in game, small fiefs.
*The Byzantine Empire even at it's last legs and little more than Constantinople plus a few vassals still had it's ruler be considered Emperor for instance.

These together meant you had significant powers with the same title as even irrelevant vassals but couldn't style themselves as kings(not seriously anyway, CK2 uses the term petty king to kind of refer to that) so attempted to create something they could use to be more than dukes thus the in-betweens duke and king became established.

Well I am simplifying a lot because no rules governing titles really exist but instead are just cultural norms that varied across the world and time but that is basically it.
 

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Perhaps sons simply have priority before grandchildren, but grandchildren (specifically sons of sons) still count as possible heirs?
It seems exactly this is the case:
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...-grandson-gets-land-after-succession.1011994/
It was not the case in the past, unless there are some sort of other unusual caveats that caused it in this case. Still, gavelkind has been wonky (for even more than three years), so it's always possible it's a bug or some odd edge case...
It's not a bug after all.
 

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I'm both surprised and unsurprised. Gavelkind is wonky. But elective is even messier.
I am currently thinking about making a thread with the topic of those two succession laws. I often read your comment from other peoples in this forums and always ask my self: what exactly do you mean with wonky?
 

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I think the "primogeniture" that gavel kind defaults to is not the same as real primo. I had a duke recently with primo who had no legitimate children, and his heir was his nephew. I demanded he change to gavel kind and his heir changed to his sister, the nephews mother. Gender laws were agnatic cognac in both cases.
 

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I think the "primogeniture" that gavel kind defaults to is not the same as real primo. I had a duke recently with primo who had no legitimate children, and his heir was his nephew. I demanded he change to gavel kind and his heir changed to his sister, the nephews mother. Gender laws were agnatic cognac in both cases.
I can somewhat confirm that. I made a test setup savegame were I play around with console commands and I killed all my direct kids and switched back a forth between gavelkind and primo:
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I am currently thinking about making a thread with the topic of those two succession laws. I often read your comment from other peoples in this forums and always ask my self: what exactly do you mean with wonky?
The literal definition is "crooked; off-center; askew" ... and that's roughly what I mean. It's weird, it rarely works as you expect, and sometimes, it just seems wrong.
 

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I just picked CKII after more than a year, and I'm a bit puzzled by the behavior of my demesne. Ok, i get that now there are rules regarding demesne, but look at this:
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I have a base of 3, and +2 and +2 bonuses, for a total of 7. The game rule gives me -5, so it should be 2. Instead, my demesne maximum size is 1.
Btw, my demesne size rule is "Default". Is it normal it takes away so much?
Thanks!