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There is a character in my dynasty who started as my son, became my brother and is now my uncle. That's all fine. However, what is slightly confusing me is that this uncle is lieged to the Duke of Argyll. More than that, he is the Duke of Argyll's marshall. Now, I THINK this might be because at one point I imprisoned him for plotting to murder me and then after a few years I banished him. As such, could this make sense i.e. a banished dynasty member ends up lieged to another dynasty (although he is still in my dynasty)?

In checking this I was wondering if either of the following are possible:

1. To view a list of people who have been banished from your dynasty
OR
2. To view a dynasty member's full history i.e. "Born x, Betrothed x, Married X, Son x, Daughter x, Son x, Plots x, Imprisoned X, Banished x" (where x is a date) etc

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Certainly. Banished characters always end up in the court of some other ruler. And if they have the skills they'll get put to use.
 

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Certainly. Banished characters always end up in the court of some other ruler. And if they have the skills they'll get put to use.
Glad I got to the bottom of that one. Had me royally confused when I first noticed it :)

As an aside, is Banishment therefore perhaps not a great idea, particularly for a decently skilled male relative i.e. better to pardon/re-use or kill/oubliette?
 

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Glad I got to the bottom of that one. Had me royally confused when I first noticed it :)

As an aside, is Banishment therefore perhaps not a great idea, particularly for a decently skilled male relative i.e. better to pardon/re-use or kill/oubliette?

Traitorous relatives are best used to feed the rats in the oubliette. You don't want to kill them, even in the various human sacrifice events, because you'll get kin-slayer. Letting them go and making use of them is the next best option but isn't great as they can continue plotting against you. Banishing puts them in another court where they can build up support and come after your lands as an adventurer.
 

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Traitorous relatives are best used to feed the rats in the oubliette. You don't want to kill them, even in the various human sacrifice events, because you'll get kin-slayer. Letting them go and making use of them is the next best option but isn't great as they can continue plotting against you. Banishing puts them in another court where they can build up support and come after your lands as an adventurer.
Actually I killed a (distant) kinsman who went Sunni through his court physician with a Great Blot and got away without Kinslayer.
 

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Hey. I'm playing as a patrician family, and I've expanded my mansion so I could have more trade posts (already have one that I seized from other family) so now I have a empty slot but I have no idea how to actually build it. I've seen in an old dev diary video that there's a button on the low-right part of the province info box, but I can find nothing of the sort in my game, I'm assuming they've changed it since then....

Now that I'm here, I have another short one. I've read that you can "seize the city" in the province where you have a trade post, but I have no idea how to do that either. I'm trying all kind of interactions with the mayor, the city itself... can't find anything.
 

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Hey. I'm playing as a patrician family, and I've expanded my mansion so I could have more trade posts (already have one that I seized from other family) so now I have a empty slot but I have no idea how to actually build it. I've seen in an old dev diary video that there's a button on the low-right part of the province info box, but I can find nothing of the sort in my game, I'm assuming they've changed it since then....
Select a province you want to build a trad post at. You will see yellow arrow in the top-right corner of province window. Additional window will popup - to build hospital, fort and trade post.
 

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Now that I'm here, I have another short one. I've read that you can "seize the city" in the province where you have a trade post, but I have no idea how to do that either. I'm trying all kind of interactions with the mayor, the city itself... can't find anything.
Once you have build an TP, in a province of an foreign ruler, you have a CB available.
 

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Select a province you want to build a trad post at. You will see yellow arrow in the top-right corner of province window. Additional window will popup - to build hospital, fort and trade post.

Oh, got it. Thanks.

Once you have build an TP, in a province of an foreign ruler, you have a CB available.

Let me see if I get it. As a Patrician in the Amalfi Republic (which is a part of the Byzantine Empire) I have a TP on Messene (also part of Byz) and I get the "mayor has to be independent" reason so I can't declare war. So I'm assuming if the TP was in an Italian province, for instance, I could go to war against the Kingdom of Italy for that city?
 

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Oh, got it. Thanks.



Let me see if I get it. As a Patrician in the Amalfi Republic (which is a part of the Byzantine Empire) I have a TP on Messene (also part of Byz) and I get the "mayor has to be independent" reason so I can't declare war. So I'm assuming if the TP was in an Italian province, for instance, I could go to war against the Kingdom of Italy for that city?
You and the character you are attacking need to have the same liege if in the same realm. So you need most likely attack the Strategos of Sicily

EDIT: You cant conquer cities in the same realm sorry
 

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You and the character you are attacking need to have the same liege if in the same realm. So you need most likely attack the Strategos of Sicily

EDIT: You cant conquer cities in the same realm sorry

I see. Thanks

Something unrelated and weird just happened. I was assassinated along with my oldest son and heir, unmarried. No worries, as I had 2 daughters and 2 younger sons, born of an affair with the Countess of Neapolis, and then fully legitimized, with the oldest currently being heir to the County.

However the game defaulted to the young one as my character. Not only that. I have "no heir of my dynasty" so it's game over if I die, despite having an older brother and 2 older sisters. How come?

(I'm just 3 and there's a consumption epidemic, so, lol)
 
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I see. Thanks

Something unrelated and weird just happened. I was assassinated along with my oldest son and heir, unmarried. No worries, as I had 2 daughters and 2 younger sons, born of an affair with the Countess of Neapolis, and then fully legitimized, with the oldest currently being heir to the County.

However the game defaulted to the young one as my character. Not only that. I have "no heir of my dynasty" so it's game over if I die, despite having and older brother and 2 older sisters. How come?

(I'm just 3 and there's a consumption epidemic, so, lol)

At a guess...

The elder son is set to inherit the county and your overlord has the no outside inheritance law in effect, that makes your older son ineligible to inherit. The sisters are ineligible to inherit a patrician family as it is pure agnatic.

(note that should your brother inherit and then become part of the realm so he can inherit from you, his doing so would change you from a patrician to a feudal lord and you'd lose all the trade posts, the mansion, and other patrician stuff)
 

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At a guess...

The elder son is set to inherit the county and your overlord has the no outside inheritance law in effect, that makes your older son ineligible to inherit. The sisters are ineligible to inherit a patrician family as it is pure agnatic.

(note that should your brother inherit and then become part of the realm so he can inherit from you, his doing so would change you from a patrician to a feudal lord and you'd lose all the trade posts, the mansion, and other patrician stuff)

I see. Interesting. I didn't know there were laws regarding outside inheritance.

Thanks for the tip about becoming a feudal lord and losing patrician status, the county of Neapolis is already in the same realm as me Amali, tho. Both are vassals of BYZ
 

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Hey. I'm playing as a patrician family, and I've expanded my mansion so I could have more trade posts (already have one that I seized from other family) so now I have a empty slot but I have no idea how to actually build it. I've seen in an old dev diary video that there's a button on the low-right part of the province info box, but I can find nothing of the sort in my game, I'm assuming they've changed it since then....

Now that I'm here, I have another short one. I've read that you can "seize the city" in the province where you have a trade post, but I have no idea how to do that either. I'm trying all kind of interactions with the mayor, the city itself... can't find anything.

Declarations of war are always against the ultimate holder, not the title holder. The city may be run by a mayor, but that mayor is a vassal of someone else all the way up to the ultimate holder. From what you've said it seesm that the ultimate holder is the Byzantine Emperor. You COULD declare war on him for the city, but I would highly recommend against it ! :D


I see. Thanks

Something unrelated and weird just happened. I was assassinated along with my oldest son and heir, unmarried. No worries, as I had 2 daughters and 2 younger sons, born of an affair with the Countess of Neapolis, and then fully legitimized, with the oldest currently being heir to the County.

However the game defaulted to the young one as my character. Not only that. I have "no heir of my dynasty" so it's game over if I die, despite having an older brother and 2 older sisters. How come?

(I'm just 3 and there's a consumption epidemic, so, lol)

I haven't played MRs much but I do know that succession to the Dogeship is merchant elective, which counts the character's age and Prestige as key factors (plus election fund of course). Maybe your youngest son had the highest combo of these two factors (does he have much higher Martial ?), the feudal estates of course still going to your eldest son via primogeniture.
 

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As MR you have no primogeniture successions.
Feudal rulers are not included in Patrician Elective. Like it is said in wiki - Don't give your heir landed titles, otherwise he wouldn't be able to inherit.
So probably you have no eligible guys in your court