Would be too OP, I guess.
This sounds similar to my question. I thing something is wrong. I call this a bug in both of our games.
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If you change your primary title it can change your "primary" succession law as each title has/remembers its own succession law. The primary succession law also determines what happens to your demesne. Other higher tier titles may or may not have alternate heirs eligible depending on the inheritance laws and who does/doesn't have land which will often cause them to follow the primary even if they have a different law.
His primary title is Apulia, always has been Apulia since the start of the game. I'm not actually sure that duchies can have separate succession laws when you are a grand duke anyway, since I started out playing Matilda of Tuscany with two duchies and when I changed my succession law to ultimogeniture I didn't have to change the second duchy.
I'm playing Byzantine Empire and am considering holding to all or most of Sicily (minus Malta) in addition to my counties in Greece. Even if that means lower levies, since it's outside my capital kingdom. I've read something that if I destroy the Duchy of Sicily, I can have a viceroy rule the rest of the kingdom and he won't mind that I hold his counties. Is that correct?
Give one of your dukes in greece the second duchy of sicily. So long as he holds it for 100 years, it'll de jure drift to you. If you do it immediately it'll be ready by the 860s
That would require to not personally hold the counties of Sicily, but wishing to hold on to those is why Serenity84 is asking in the first place.
I'm not entirely sure, but I think it should work. I believe AI only checks one level below and above for the titles it desires to control so a king tier viceroy should only desire to control duchies and not counties.
I have a hypothesis and playing around with thee double duke (petty king) Rhodri of Powys/Gwynedd in 867 seems to confirm it.
Counties and duchies all have their own succession law, which they remember. But if they are not your primary title their succession type gets suppressed and the succession law of your primary title is applied instead. But if they become someone's primary title they revert to their own remembered succession law.
I tested with the aforementioned petty king Rhodri who has two duchies, both set to gavelkind. I was able to immediately switch Powys to elective and that displayed both duchies as having elective succession. But if I switched primary titles so that Gwynedd was primary both titles showed as gavelkind. I switched a few more times and each time both duchies would display the succession type of whichever duchy was the primary title (elective whenever Powys was priamry and gavelkind whenever Gwynedd was primary). The test isn't complete because I haven't tested what happens after succession, but it does seem to prove the succession law suppression mechanic.
I'm not entirely sure, but I think it should work. I believe AI only checks one level below and above for the titles it desires to control so a king tier viceroy should only desire to control duchies and not counties.
I have a hypothesis and playing around with thee double duke (petty king) Rhodri of Powys/Gwynedd in 867 seems to confirm it.
Counties and duchies all have their own succession law, which they remember. But if they are not your primary title their succession type gets suppressed and the succession law of your primary title is applied instead. But if they become someone's primary title they revert to their own remembered succession law.
I tested with the aforementioned petty king Rhodri who has two duchies, both set to gavelkind. I was able to immediately switch Powys to elective and that displayed both duchies as having elective succession. But if I switched primary titles so that Gwynedd was primary both titles showed as gavelkind. I switched a few more times and each time both duchies would display the succession type of whichever duchy was the primary title (elective whenever Powys was priamry and gavelkind whenever Gwynedd was primary). The test isn't complete because I haven't tested what happens after succession, but it does seem to prove the succession law suppression mechanic.
Very interesting. Seems like WAD. The only thing that bothers me in my situation is: how the heck did one county become primo? Late feudal administration wasn't a thing because legalism wasn't high enough.
no. It was controlled by a single Count till I revoked it, lost it through succession and inherent again it because of a terrible accident of my brother.
Yet another thing that looks strange! The kaiser died and the HRE title (elective) AND his Duchy (Gavelkind) went to the elected successor of the HRE. His legitimate sons which are no monks, castrated nor at a holy order (still not existing) or anything, didn't get a thing. Again a bug or has someone a logic explanation about this?
@kmh42 Children only inherit lower title as per primogeniture if the person who gets elected to inherit the top tier title is of a different dynasty. If the elected heir is of the same dynasty as the previous holder they will also inherit all lower titles. In this case the empire was held by a Karling and inherited by another Karling so that one got the duchy as well.
Additionally, if a title is ever granted to someone it's succession law will be reset to the most basic one available based on religion and government type. For feudal Christians that is agnatic-cognatic gavelkind.
The alliance thing appears to be a bug. I suggest reporting it in the Bug Reports subforum.
Additionally, if a title is ever granted to someone it's succession law will be reset to the most basic one available based on religion and government type. For feudal Christians that is agnatic-cognatic gavelkind.
The alliance thing appears to be a bug. I suggest reporting it in the Bug Reports subforum.
Thank you for clarification.
Edit: do you have a clue why one county become primo without late administration?
I am as baffled as you. Although ... I just remembered that without Conclave if a kingdom doesn't exist all Crown Authority conditions for succession laws of de jure lower titles are ignored (so for example Irish counts and petty king in 1066 can switch to primogeniture if they so wish). Maybe it's the same with Conclave and administration requirements.
He was insane, so this could be possible
Nope but maybe only the AI has this limitation?
But that would not be what happened in my case, since the duke of Apulia's primary title didn't change. Unless you mean to suggest that that Calabria was the duchy with seniority, which was somehow making all the duchies seniority even though it was his third title?
You have Conclave enabled, so you need Late Feudal Administration. Without Conclave you can have primogeniture as that count:
Is there a Humpty Dumpty Easter egg/event? You have no idea how much I've wanted to see an event trigger when I'm a king that goes, "Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall. Humpty Dumpty had a great fall." then you get a list of options that goes:
1. Send in all your horses.
2. Send in all your men.
3. Send in all your horses and men.
If you picked the third option it would say "All your horses and men couldn't put Humpty Dumpty back together again."
1. Send in all your horses.
2. Send in all your men.
3. Send in all your horses and men.
If you picked the third option it would say "All your horses and men couldn't put Humpty Dumpty back together again."
All three duchies will display the succession law of the primary one, in this case Apulia. Calabria could've had gavelkind all along. Although newly created titles usually copy the primary title so it's still strange.
Going from seniority to gavelkind in a matter or months is strange too. It's technically possible that there was a gavelkind faction, but I've never seen the AI form one of those. Did the new duke switch primary titles? If Apulia was seniority and Benevento was gavelkind, switching primary titles would switch displayed succession law for both. Finally, in my current game I noticed that after usurping Mauretania I was able to immediately change succession laws, so the ruling for 10 years condition might be checking for how long you ruled your primary title. So if the new duke already had a duchy from before he'd be able to make the switch immediately too.
Speaking of swapping duchies, the succession law suppression mechanic has some interesting implications for games where you stay a duke the whole time. You could have multiple duchies with different succession laws, which would allow you to freely change between them at will. You could have an elective duchy by default and then two more for primogeniture and ultimogeniture, whenever the vote isn't going your way. You could even have a fourth duchy with gavelkind for times when you need the demesne bonus and have a single heir.