Crusader Kings II ~ Quick Answers

[StarSword]

So here's the situation :

I'm currently played as Louis II Karling of Italy 867, snapping Sicily by doing invite and push claim thingy, and then going to conquer Bavaria to finally form the Italian Empire.

What's stupid of me is that I'm not patient enough to wait for Legalism level 3, change into Late Feudal Administration and then go for Primo from Agnatic Gavelkind, while still a King of Italy. I'm now old, stressed and chance of living the 10 years to change the succesion law in the Empire is literally slim. My only son, Karl have 4 kids, all GIRLS which frustate me, and worse, he is now depressed as his wife cheated on him and gave birth to baby boy with the Prince-Bishop of Trent

So I checked the inheritance, and found that King of East Francia is second in inheritance, followed by his 1,2 and his third sons, and then after that King of West Francia as the last pretender to the throne. Which means if my son died which is totally possible atm, he's close to become Kaiser of HRE.

I don't really worried about the inheritance as its still goes to the member of dynasty, but out of curiosity, how does the game determine who's going to inherit outside the direct descendant of the current ruler (son, daughter and grandsons) in Agnatic Gavelkind? Because King of East Francia was descended from my uncle, Ludwig (his grandson), and King of West Francia was descended from my cousin, Louis of Aquitane (his sons) which means he's direct blood to my other uncle too, Charles the Bald.

Based on my observations, the priority after your direct descendants goes to the closest blood relative first. Siblings, aunts and uncles, then cousins on down.

 

[Vicodin_Addict]

Based on my observations, the priority after your direct descendants goes to the closest blood relative first. Siblings, aunts and uncles, then cousins on down.

I see, so it takes from the closest and oldest uncle too? Because from my understanding, the sons of my deceased brother, Lothaire of Lotharingia should take precedence rather than the descendant of my uncle, which I don't get from the 1st place.

 

[StarSword]

I see, so it takes from the closest and oldest uncle too? Because from my understanding, the sons of my deceased brother, Lothaire of Lotharingia should take precedence rather than the descendant of my uncle, which I don't get from the 1st place.

Well, look at what happens if you have multiple sons with children as a guide. The succession will start out pointing at your eldest son's line, but if he dies then his children are pushed out and replaced by his younger brother (I had some experience with this two kings ago). But yeah, primogeniture succession can get a bit tangled. (Primo and gavelkind use the same rules to determine priority.)

 

[Dragatus]

Agnatic primogeniture logic:
1. If title is ever inherited by a dead character, it passes on to the dead character's heir.
2. Did the title holder have any sons who are not disqualified from succession? If yes, oldest one inherits (if oldest son is dead see rule 1). If not continue with rule 3.
3. Did the title holder have any brothers who are not disqualified from succession? If yes, oldest one inherits (if he's already dead, see rule 1). If not continue with rule 4.
4. If title holder had no sons or brothers give the title back to his father and disqualify title holder from succession. If father is dead (usually true) use rule 1 and pass the title to his heir. Because the title holder has just been disqualified from succession it can't pass back to him and will go to the second heir of the father.

In your specific case, if your son dies without any male heirs or brothers it would be returned to your current character using rule 4. then because you have no other sons, it passes to your father. Then from your father it passes to the oldest of his brothers, your uncle from whom the king of East Francia is descendant. And the king of West Francia is probably descendant from a younger brother of your father.

 

[Vicodin_Addict]

Thanks for the clarification.

I just realized that my brother's son is a bastard, that's why he is disqualified from succession, and I also realized that I'm gonna inherit Lotharingia if that is the case. Just don't pay attention to him tho, he's such an asshat, I stopped paying attention.

 

[PetrKorpachev]

It definitely is a bug. You shouldn't be able to join your vassal's wars at all. If the game let you, that is probably the root cause of the weirdness. Sadly, I can't think of any workaround.

Actually I found out that this is not a bug. You can join your vassals' de jure wars when their claim is outside your realm. If you win, they get the title. I solved that occupation by vassal problem by simply letting Venice retake those holdings then crushing them and sieging with my own troops BTW.

 

[Dragatus]

Actually I found out that this is not a bug. You can join your vassals' de jure wars when their claim is outside your realm. If you win, they get the title. I solved that occupation by vassal problem by simply letting Venice retake those holdings then crushing them and sieging with my own troops BTW.

Interesting. I always got a message that you can't join vassal's wars whenever I tried, but it is also true I only ever wanted to do it in wars inside my realm. Thanks for the info.

 

[Aardvark Bellay]

Guys how to have 2 version of CK 2? Cause it's quite annoying to rollback when playing other mods and when I try just to copy the folder of CK 2 the DLC won't activate when playing the different version from steam, example I copied the 2.5.2 version to another location then rollback to 2.4.5 on Steam after that I tried to launch CK 2 on the 2.5.2 version I can't click on the DLC tab.

Run the old version once, copy that out, create a userdir.txt file inside the new game folder, copy the content of the CK2 folder in Documents
to your new seperate Documents folder for the old version, especially the dlc_signature.file and done.
Read also "Different location for save files and screenshots" here: https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...oost-file-locations-dlc-names-numbers.585701/
or this : http://steamcommunity.com/app/203770/discussions/0/405693392931774586/

If you have questions regarding this post, please ask via Conversation (aka PM).

 

[StarSword]

Okay, de jure drift question. I just successfully holy-warred Galicia away from the Umayyads to start the reconquista. When I started the fight, I believe the tooltip for the provinces said it had become de jure Andalusia, suggestive of de jure drift (which I've done myself: in my game the Isles and the Orkneys are now de jure part of Ireland).

But when I finally won that exceedingly bloody war (started with 10000 troops deployed, ended with under 3000, though the badshah didn't come off looking pretty either), the tooltip now said it was de jure Galicia again.

Bug or WAD?

 

[JonStryker]

Okay, de jure drift question. I just successfully holy-warred Galicia away from the Umayyads to start the reconquista. When I started the fight, I believe the tooltip for the provinces said it had become de jure Andalusia, suggestive of de jure drift (which I've done myself: in my game the Isles and the Orkneys are now de jure part of Ireland).

But when I finally won that exceedingly bloody war (started with 10000 troops deployed, ended with under 3000, though the badshah didn't come off looking pretty either), the tooltip now said it was de jure Galicia again.

Bug or WAD?

de jure kingdoms view will show you exactly what is what. On mouse over you see the years a drifting duchy is drifting towards some kingdom.
It drifts, it takes 100 years. That's it.

You probably misread a tooltip or something

 

[StarSword]

de jure kingdoms view will show you exactly what is what. On mouse over you see the years a drifting duchy is drifting towards some kingdom.
It drifts, it takes 100 years. That's it.

You probably misread a tooltip or something

No, I'm pretty darn sure that Santiago's dialog box said it was de jure part of Andalusia before I holy-warred it. Whatever, either way the badshah has multiple CBs to keep an eye on.

 

[kmh42]

FAST! What happens when I press my claim on Feudal France as a Patrician. I am currently duke tier but not the top liege in a MR. Do I become feudal or do I create a new MR?

 

[StarSword]

FAST! What happens when I press my claim on Feudal France as a Patrician. I am currently duke tier but not the top liege in a MR. Do I become feudal or do I create a new MR?

Neither. You become the Prince Mayor (or Serene Doge if Italian) of France and its government changes to merchant republic.

EDIT: Wait, that's option two because you become independent.

 

[kmh42]

So I get my own shiny new MR.

 

[StarSword]

So I get my own shiny new MR.

Yeah, my bad, you'll become an independent MR because of your rise in rank.

 

[TheGunMaster57]

My situation: I am a triple doux of athens, achiea, and krete, and have just gained independence from the Byzantine Empire. I want to form a new kingdom from the decision, which happens according to plan. But when i reload the save, the newly created kingdom isn't de-jure part of the ERE. The title ceases to have a corresponding Empire. What the heck is happening? This can't be WAD.

 

[SaphireSeas]

My situation: I am a triple doux of athens, achiea, and krete, and have just gained independence from the Byzantine Empire. I want to form a new kingdom from the decision, which happens according to plan. But when i reload the save, the newly created kingdom isn't de-jure part of the ERE. The title ceases to have a corresponding Empire. What the heck is happening? This can't be WAD.

The new kingdom, As far as I am aware, is never part of the Empire after you form it, It can de-jure drift in the normal way. On reloading, any custom kingdom that has a de-jure empire is made Independent once more.

 

[SchwarzKatze]

What kind of province culture conversion events are there currently? Specifically, I'm Strategos of Dalmatia and I'm trying to spread Greek in the region.

 

[Dragatus]

There are no real special events you can trigger for that. If the owner of a province (the person owning the county) is of a different culture than the province there is a random even that converts the culture to his culture and the mtth depends on the province owner's Stewardship. But the even requires the province to be next to another province that already has the province owner's culture.

So if none of the provinces in Dalmatia are adjacent to a province with Greek culture, then you're out of luck. But if there is at least one Greek province in the neighbourhood you can make the culture spread faster by having a good Stewardship and by giving counties to people who are themselves good at Stewardship.

 

[Aardvark Bellay]

..

So if none of the provinces in Dalmatia are adjacent to a province with Greek culture, then you're out of luck...

Errr.....the settlers event contrary to the regular culture conversion event doesn't require adjacent provinces of the culture, but it requires the conquest_culture code flag..,
unless something changed recently which i missed, but a quick lok doesn' t make it seem to be so.
Just sayin'.