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Only had the game a few days so started with the tutorial, King of Leon. Had some great fun, made some n00b mistakes (like leading troops myself, doh), granting a county to my son who was married to a woman about to inherit a duchy in the HRE so that when he died before me my grandson became a German Duke, taking my county with him, etc, etc.
Slowly learning!
Made it to Emperor of Hispania. Had to reconquor the kingdom of Castile on the way because although I was king of both Leon and Castile early when I died my sons split the kingdoms and since they were the same rank Castile got independence. Yay for a close up experience of Gavelkind in action!

Between these forums and the wiki there's so much help out there, what an amazing community. Anywhooo, a few quick questions -

1. I read that it made sense to develop new holdings in your capital county. So I added one or two baronies. When I died I lost them. I assume this is also due to Gavelkind? It applies all the way down the line to holdings?
2. If so, how can I get and maintain a decent size demesne if I lose most things except the primary empire, kingdom, duchy, county? Do I have to revoke everything every time I die?
3. One of the kingdoms I lost to Gavelkind was the Kingdom of Andalusia. Omg. That's about half my empire. He's still my vassal, but dear Lord is he strong. I imagine that any sort of revokation is going to cause a civil war (that I'll probably lose!) Anything I can do to get him under control? He's factioning like a maniac.
4. Is there a way to generate new characters? I launched a Holy War for Marrakech, ended up getting about 27 holdings. Looking in my court and even under the "character finder" I couldn't find enough people of my religion and culture groups to give them all out! Surely there should be some unknown chap in Gibraltar who fancies a bit of land to call his own?

Many thanks for any help...

1. Yes, Gavelkind will distribute all titles from empires all the way down to baronies. Also, in addition to building new castles you should also upgrade the ones you already have (left-click the image of your holding to open the menu for that).

2. Pretty much. Just switch to a different form of succession ASAP (Ultimogeniture or Primogeniture would be simplest; Elective Monarchy can be best, but requires extra setup and is less noob friendly). 30% extra demesne isn't worth the hassle of having to reunite all your titles after each succession. And you can have a pretty decent demesne without it too. Emperor tier with maxed Centralization law gives you a base 8 demesne before even taking into account your Stewardship. If you have a good Stewardship education and make sure that you always marry a woman who is Midas Touched, you could easily have 11 or 12 demesne even without Gavelkind.

And do make sure you set the same succession law for all your titles. Click the coats of arms in the laws window to switch between laws for different titles.

3. Revocation will certainly mean civil war. If you're Catholic and have Free Investiture though, you could set up an anti-pope and have the troublesome vassal excommunicated (it will cost you 100 Piety). Excommunicated characters can be imprisoned without tyranny. He'll still likely rebel when you try to imprison him , but that's exactly what you want because he'll fight you alone rather than with his faction allies. If you do manage to imprison him you can ransom him and then try to imprison him again - keep repeating until it fails and he rebels. After you beat him and he's automatically imprisoned you can revoke one title from him without tyranny. And you'll want to take the kingdom and then let him rot in the dungeon. Then after you're done with that you can press your anti-pope's claim to the papacy, which will make all future popes your vassals and you can do fun stuff like request crusades against specific targets.

4. Right click the picture of a holding you own and a little menu with 3 buttons will pop up. The first one has two crowns on it. Click it and the game will generate a random vassal for you.

is there any way to filter out some traits?

like, looking for people without the "deceitful" trait but that have other traits...

I'm afraid that's not possible. The closest you can come to that is to search for people who have the opposite trait (in this case Honest), since you can be sure they won't have the trait you're trying to avoid. But this method will miss any characters that have neither trait.
 
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1. Yes, Gavelkind will distribute all titles from empires all the way down to baronies. Also, in addition to building new castles you should also upgrade the ones you already have (left-click the image of your holding to open the menu for that).

2. Pretty much. Just switch to a different form of succession ASAP (Ultimogeniture or Primogeniture would be simplest; Elective Monarchy can be best, but requires extra setup and is less noob friendly). 30% extra demesne isn't worth the hassle of having to reunite all your titles after each succession. And you can have a pretty decent demesne without it too. Emperor tier with maxed Centralization law gives you a base 8 demesne before even taking into account your Stewardship. If you have a good Stewardship education and make sure that you always marry a woman who is Midas Touched, you could easily have 11 or 12 demesne even without Gavelkind.

And do make sure you set the same succession law for all your titles. Click the coats of arms in the laws window to switch between laws for different titles.

3. Revocation will certainly mean civil war. If you're Catholic and have Free Investiture though, you could set up an anti-pope and have the troublesome vassal excommunicated (it will cost you 100 Piety). Excommunicated characters can be imprisoned without tyranny. He'll still likely rebel when you try to imprison him , but that's exactly what you want because he'll fight you alone rather than with his faction allies. If you do manage to imprison him you can ransom him and then try to imprison him again - keep repeating until it fails and he rebels. After you beat him and he's automatically imprisoned you can revoke one title from him without tyranny. And you'll want to take the kingdom and then let him rot in the dungeon. Then after you're done with that you can press your anti-pope's claim to the papacy, which will make all future popes your vassals and you can do fun stuff like request crusades against specific targets.

4. Right click the picture of a holding you own and a little menu with 3 buttons will pop up. The first one has two crowns on it. Click it and the game will generate a random vassal for you.

Brilliant. Thank you so much, really helpful.
 

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@vitalstatistix: One trick with gavelkind is to use it for your primary title and then something more controllable like primogeniture for any secondary titles (e.g. if you have an empire and a kingdom, put the empire on gavelkind and the kingdom on primo). This way you get the demesne boost without any risk of title loss.
 
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@vitalstatistix: One trick with gavelkind is to use it for your primary title and then something more controllable like primogeniture for any secondary titles (e.g. if you have an empire and a kingdom, put the empire on gavelkind and the kingdom on primo). This way you get the demesne boost without any risk of title loss.

I think I have lucked into exactly that situation.
The Empire of Hispania is elective Gavelkind, so my first son always gets that.
The Kingdoms of Leon and Galicia are now both primogeniture, which flows down to all the Baronies I have in my Leonese capital county.
The Kingdom of Navarra is elective, but as there's only one Duchy there are only two votes, so I have the casting say.
;)
 

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You have Elective Gavelkind for your empire? Better turn that into regular Gavelkind at the first opportunity.
 
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How does exactly the call for crusade work?
A pope is my vassal, but I don't see any option for a crusade available (or unavailable) if I check possible actions on other (infidel) rulers. Sanctioned invasion is the only one.
 

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Did I miss something or Elective Gavelkind distribute not just your lands, but lands of the heir too? And it was very strange one too, one secondary heir got all of heir's former lands without any distribution.
 

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Elective gavelkind gives the primary title to the selected heir (must be of your dynasty but not necessarily immediate family) and breaks everything else up and splits it among any remaining eligible heirs. Unlike regular gavelkind, you can't really game it by only having a single eligible son unless you have no other branches of your dynasty.
 

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Elective gavelkind gives the primary title to the selected heir (must be of your dynasty but not necessarily immediate family) and breaks everything else up and splits it among any remaining eligible heirs. Unlike regular gavelkind, you can't really game it by only having a single eligible son unless you have no other branches of your dynasty.
No, I mean he didn't got my lands, he got heir's lands. As in lands heir owned before inheriting my title were given out. And they were given out as whole, not distributed.

And it's elected heir + sons, not every heir. which confirms as grandson that was voted for but didn't win got nothing.
 

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Elective gavelkind gives the primary title to the selected heir (must be of your dynasty but not necessarily immediate family) and breaks everything else up and splits it among any remaining eligible heirs. Unlike regular gavelkind, you can't really game it by only having a single eligible son unless you have no other branches of your dynasty.

Right. Pretty sure I just have regular gavelkind. Will check later.
But my experience suggests that the laws "nest" for want of a better word.
i.e although my empire is gavelkind my kingdom titles don't get split up among my heirs because my kingdoms obey their own succession laws (which are primo).
At least that seems to be how it's working. All my titles (one empire, four kingdoms, a duchy, three counties and a few baronies) passed down together last time and all now list the same chap as being heir to them.

Side note - for some reason I changed the Kingdom of Andalusia to seniority, which probably explains how I lost it, but maybe I can get it back if I arrange accidents for everyone in my dynasty who's older than me?
:mad:
 

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How does exactly the call for crusade work?
A pope is my vassal, but I don't see any option for a crusade available (or unavailable) if I check possible actions on other (infidel) rulers. Sanctioned invasion is the only one.

The option to request a crusade is only available for a short time 30 years after the end of the previous crusade. By short time I mean a few days or maybe a week. A specific pope can also only call a single crusade in his lifetime, but since tend to be old they also tend to reign for less than 30 years and that condition is usually automatically true (but not always).

And when the option is not available, it doesn'teven show up in the menu at all, not even greyed out.
 

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I am a the King of Portugal, and my heir has just turned 16. I've tried to marry him off but when I click the marriage icon near his portrait I offered a choice of only two low born courtiers.

When I click on the same button of my target ( a princess of Aragon) my heir is not on the list of potential husbands.

What am I doing wrong.
 

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In an army consisting of my own and my vassals' levies, is there some easy way to distinguish the latter so that I can disband them?

Go to army tab and dismiss all vassal levies with one click.
 
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