Crusader Kings II Open Beta Patch 2.2.1.1 Now Available - checksum SPSR

[Woopzilla]

Lots of issues in here haven't been fixed: http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum...6-2.2.0.9-A-list-of-a-few-minor-muslim-issues

Yes, they're minor but I've already encountered quite a few of them in the new game I started for the beta.

I'm going to be making a second shorter more concise thread again because I feel some of the things are just plain annoying and should really be fixed like broken call to arms text/endless 0 boat raising by AIs/unfirable infidel court imams (already encountered this already) and lots more mentioned in the above thread. Eg:

[video=youtube;pG9Td-x9ufs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pG9Td-x9ufs[/video]
I just loaded the above game with the current patch and the AI still does this.

A dev did mention they were going to have a read, but the patch notes indicate that almost nothing has been done (maybe the imprisonment logic - but it's really not clear over what's been changed).

On another note, I'm not entirely liking the new diplomacy screen... it takes a few clicks more to try and get married and the pop up locations for the buttons are a bit awkward:

I don't like the way it obscures the face. The main character page itself though is mostly fantastic. The diplomacy screens not so much though... the whole windowless look made me think that I could freely drag and rearrange them (and that it saved the locations)... but you can't. If it was offset further below or to the right, then at least you'd still have easily visible info on the character... eg, I can instantly tell how many counties I grant him because of his demense limit being visible, but right now it's obscured. Also, there's no easy cancel/close button when using diplomacy... the menus will continue to hover there if you click the the main characters's page again. Only way to get rid of them is to right-click the map outside the character page - not very intuitive and somewhat slow.

 

[Silversweeeper]

If you load it up and have a look at Inca and Maya, they are as rich and strong as Ming, but without mandate of heaven and some of the best ideas in the world. I hardly think they need a buff :happy:

Charlemagne start conversion:
West Francia after conversion (including vassal independence): 28 provinces, 156 basetax, 34k manpower, 73 land forcelimit, 21 naval forcelimit (9 coastal provinces).
Byzantium (no breakaway vassals): 51 provinces, 207 basetax, 46k manpower, 54 land forcelimit, 70 naval forcelimit.
Aztecs: 136 provinces, 326 basetax, 47k manpower, 84 land forcelimit, 103 naval forcelimit.
Inca: 105 provinces, 199 basetax, 40k manpower, 52 land forcelimit, 25 naval forcelimit.

Feels a bit... skewed.

Also Fezzan, Mzab, Djerid, and Touggourt are left from regular EUIV (along with a second Mzab due to Abbasid/Africa breakup). Not sure if that is as intended or not. Same with various states in West Africa (have Songhay and Ghana from the converter, a coastal OPM Mali, and various other states). There are also a Teutonic Order province left from regular EUIV (Wystruc) and two Lithuanian (for EUIV Lithuania, not converted Lithuania) provinces (Braslaw, Vitebsk).

 

[Thure]

The new char screen is awesome!

 

[Kalarhan]

Did I miss it or is the Iron Crown Achievement still broke? It seemed like a very easy thing to fix. Someone even showed what line needed to be changed.

you did miss it

 

[Kalarhan]

Multithreaded startup of the game

What's this?

When you start the game it first loads alot of stuff. Which you have to wait for a minute or two. This change should make that process faster.

In non tech terms. You have 10 stones to move from A to B. If you only have one person it will take 1 hour. Add 5 more people and you should finish it in minutes. Thats the idea. Cut the work in smaller parts and add more workers.

 

[Zomgponies]

Confirmed startup time with all expansions is at least twice as fast as before.

 

[DrMaier]

cool!

 

[jun5896]

I hope to see Way of Life DLC today

But it's Ok.. Bugfix is important. I respect developer decision.

(Yes, I am playing Football Manager 2015, that was released 15.1.4 Version. When new DLC release, I will be back)

 

[alfian]

Wow pretty cool, will you add new frame and new border line? that would be more perfect

 

[Aardvark Bellay]

Err..i'm always for UI improvements, but i can't use the right click and earlier quicklinks in the character screen anymore ??
I can't click on a character anymore to make the screen move to him, and the location isn't mentioned in the character screen.
I can't use the quicklinks for diplomacy and intrigue etc. :blink:

That new 'short' diplomacy window is horrible, sorry.
Some random small window popping up over the face (have it below or whatnot) and no mention over other options (for the player character), even if they are currently not available is slightly annoying.
When i read it here, i thought it's additional to the diplomacy as we had it, but this ? The old screen also at least gave you somehow the impression that you are in your castle.
Where is the plus side for this ?
I play a PC game at home and not a bloody mobile app.

I want my old diplomacy back (addionally ) ! :angry:

The other tiny UI changes, are alright


PS: Sorry, but my first impression of that part of the UI is rage inducing...right now.

edit:
I understand that i don't need the quicklinks anymore when there is this abomination of a diplomacy box, but that diplomacy box looks quite too unsubtle the way it is.
Or better it looks as "in your face"...literally and i like my subtle quicklinks and i liked to know where a character is hanging out. For instance when he's leading an army or if i need to arrest him.
I'm really....'speechless', even though it is probably not the correct description.

edit2: If you want that quicker diplomacy access, why not keep the old and have another button,
which on pushing offers all the diplomacy options in a slightly more subtle way as symbols with descriptions in tooltips when you hover over them.

..and please make the character screen bigger if nescessary. It's getting crammed...no it is.

*rage*

Now i need some tea.

 

[Jokolytic]

Nice! The Diplomacy looks a bit odd...

Can Papal Names be fixed please?

 

[morano08]

Please, make the Mediterannean faces like these:

 

[bookworm1138]

still CTD upon resigning. also, at the end score scene, is it not supposed to show the family line? because that's what's happening with me.

 

[Woopzilla]

Please, make the Mediterannean faces like these:

I don't have high hopes for paradox ever fixing the med portraits to be on the same level of quality as the persian/turkish portraits.

But I agree, they look positively cartoon-like the way they are now... like muppets. The disparity in quality is too big between the portrait DLCs.

Another portrait set that I don't like are the Indian female ones... all women look 40+ from the second they turn 16.

EDIT:

Another issue with the new UI.

When clicking on the 'righteous imprisonment' button I see this:

I have absolutely no idea who this is... nor is there any link to their profile. I have to now dig through my court list to find the culprit... and even then, if two courtiers share the same name, then I need to check both to find the right one.

And as stated above by another poster... the left-click quick-links are completely gone. We also cannot easily locate a character anymore - neither via links or portrait clicking (even though the blue 'is leading troops in X' sign is still there for men). You also can't easily locate your councillors... I just checked the AI Charlemagne (loaded the game as him) to see if his chancellor was improving relations with the Pope to form the HRE (nope - AI needs to do this btw) since he was sitting on all requirements to make the HRE except for Pope opinion. I had to look at the character's portrait icon to see where he was 'working' and use province search to find the place he was in (in order to see what on earth the AI was doing with him).

I think the new character page is great except for the missing character location. The diplomacy page should be reverted back because right now it just seems like change for the sake of change... trying to spruce its visual style up clashes too much with all other pages that still use the old box-in-the-top-left-corner style. It's like when you guys changed the order in which titles appear in the list. It feels unecessary.

Also, the name of the religion should be displayed. If a heresy takes over you have no idea if the character is Iconoclast or Orthodox at a quick glance. We now need to hover over things. It is maybe minor, but info that was readily available at a glance shouldn't be slower to find now.

 

[WolfWaffle]

Oh my God

 

[unmerged(466061)]

It seems like you can no longer center on characters from the character page? How will I hunt down people now?

Apart from this I love the new character screen. Not liking the diplomacy one though. Any chance this ends up as something we can choose in the options menu?

 

[Drake_Hound]

Eh hmm coughs , the ui changes are not for the beter, when we don't know who we can imprison.
Either ad the potrait beneath the imprison like with marriage options etc.

Also move since they are free floating diplomacy bar, them to the center of the screen.
Not halfway into the more important area.

Or return back to the old way and just use the small scroll wheel option, that happens once buttons get full.
Really from impressions it is a good idea the new UI, but execution is terrible
Sigh I know people value creativity and ideas a lot, since we are slowly running out of creative people.
But execution of those creativity and ideas have to blend in with the smooth game.
Not create setbacks that makes this game even more BETA

Offcourse excuse can be made it is cause of the locked content, but even then a simple locked DLC shouldn't set the game artistic and smooth feeling, so much back.

 

[loup99]

the UI is most likely WIP from what I have heard based on your descriptions.

 

[Jorlem]

MINOR:
- Decadence Revolts: Boosted troop strengths
- Decadence Revolts: Vassals more likely to go independent
- Decadence Revolts: the revolt winner no longer gets any claims on vassals that go independent

Heh. I wonder if there's still going to be anything more for my mod to do, with this patch...

 

[Kljunas]

Hopefully, I would love if you would give it a try and tell me if there are any edge cases I missed.

I've posted a bug report:
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?819890-2.2.2.1-SPSR-State-of-the-converter