Crusader Kings II - 2.1.4 PATCH RELEASED - Checksum XQSJ - NOT for problem reports!

[AndrewT]

So wait, the converter still doesn't work?

Still no converter fix?

Fix for what exactly? The converter works in general. There are two bugs I'm aware of:

- if the CK2 game has Temporary Titles in it, it crashes while converting. Workaround is to edit them out of the save first.
- if the CK2 game was made in Observer mode, the conversion hangs. To fix edit out the three hyphens (dashes) in the file name.

Anything else, post a new thread in bug reports please.

 

[yezhanquan]

Really hate the people going "No ____ fix" in the patch notes.

This is exactly why Paradox didn't do these smaller, more frequent hotfixes in the past.

Be thankful for what you get, and expect the rest to come soon.

No. Before CK 2, PDS is notorious for taking months to fix their buggy on-release games. Seems to me that they want a return to those "bad old days".

 

[Kljunas]

Really hate the people going "No ____ fix" in the patch notes.

This is exactly why Paradox didn't do these smaller, more frequent hotfixes in the past.

Be thankful for what you get, and expect the rest to come soon.

Be thankful for getting bugfixes?

And it's normal to get pestered about fixes in every thread as long as stuff doesn't work, they'll have to deal with it. (Releasing less frequent patches didn't seem to reduce the amount of pestering by the way; quite the opposite actually.)

 

[ahhheygao]

Really hate the people going "No ____ fix" in the patch notes.

This is exactly why Paradox didn't do these smaller, more frequent hotfixes in the past.

Be thankful for what you get, and expect the rest to come soon.

The feeling is mutual toward your kind. Those with broken games now must wait another two weeks in hopes of getting some stupid new sorting system that's worse than the previous one? Priorities, PDS...

 

[unmerged(784233)]

Really hate the people going "No ____ fix" in the patch notes.

This is exactly why Paradox didn't do these smaller, more frequent hotfixes in the past.

Be thankful for what you get, and expect the rest to come soon.

Honestly, I have a hard time being thankful for something still not working after the 3rd patch for RoI - yet it worked perfectly before RoI was released. RoI broke quite a few things that were just fine before 2.1.1 came out but are now still broken after 2.1.2, 2.1.3 and 2.1.4.

I realize that CK 2 is very complex (just try to modify stuff and read the .txt files and you can see this) but making it is actually their job - not the community's job.

From the 2.1.1 (original RoI patch notes):

- Impregnation of lovers is now handled in the code.

And that code (which we can't fix) doesn't appear to see if 2 lovers are both female - so you have people with 2 mothers (and I have a few with 4 grandmothers).

- When choosing educate character for a child, a suitable guardian will now be pre-picked (for the cases where you don't want to bother to pick one yourself).

Except the new code doesn't allow us to change the default in many instances - and we are stuck with the game defaulting back to the pre-picked one after ~ 1 month (seemed to be every 6 weeks in my now abandoned Iron Man games from 2.1.1 and 2.1.3).

Plus these patches seem to have broken many of the things added in Legacy of Rome and The Republic DLCs (I own them but never play as a Republic myself - and have never tried to mend the schism myself - so no idea if the reports of those being broken are accurate - but I am assuming they are). Not to mention the broken DLC portrait packs for a bit (breaking many of them in their attempt to fix whatever 32 bit issues they were trying to fix).

 

[Krehlmar twitch/gm4ng]

Honestly, I have a hard time being thankful for something still not working after the 3rd patch for RoI - yet it worked perfectly before RoI was released. RoI broke quite a few things that were just fine before 2.1.1 came out but are now still broken after 2.1.2, 2.1.3 and 2.1.4.

I realize that CK 2 is very complex (just try to modify stuff and read the .txt files and you can see this) but making it is actually their job - not the community's job.

From the 2.1.1 (original RoI patch notes):

- Impregnation of lovers is now handled in the code.

And that code (which we can't fix) doesn't appear to see if 2 lovers are both female - so you have people with 2 mothers (and I have a few with 4 grandmothers).

- When choosing educate character for a child, a suitable guardian will now be pre-picked (for the cases where you don't want to bother to pick one yourself).

Except the new code doesn't allow us to change the default in many instances - and we are stuck with the game defaulting back to the pre-picked one after ~ 1 month (seemed to be every 6 weeks in my now abandoned Iron Man games from 2.1.1 and 2.1.3).

Plus these patches seem to have broken many of the things added in Legacy of Rome and The Republic DLCs (I own them but never play as a Republic myself - and have never tried to mend the schism myself - so no idea if the reports of those being broken are accurate - but I am assuming they are). Not to mention the broken DLC portrait packs for a bit (breaking many of them in their attempt to fix whatever 32 bit issues they were trying to fix).

I like this guy, he's not as angry as me so he can bring up all the bugs without swearing.

Added to that list

-People who started their game in 2.1.3, the patch that said it fixed 50% religious unrest bug staying forever, still recieving this bug. I've had over 7 people report this and all have said they made the game post-2.1.3.

Now I know "odds are it's just silly people not creating the game at the correct patch!" and even if that was the case then the developers are shitting on us Ironman players since a lot of games have been and will continue to be ruined.
But since I waited specifically for 2.1.3 since I had this bug already ruin a empire-level game in Ironman CK2 I am getting really really angry and tired having had a full 5 games at 100kscore 1600-2000titles Empire-level Ironman games ruined by desync, bug, desync, bug and now yet again a gamebreaking bug. And I've paid for all the DLC that add content so I feel, as a loyal consumer and fan, totally shat on when modders have been doing what Paradox does for free and better in a lot of cases. Heck different ethnic faces was free before Paradox made it so that modders could not change it just so they could sell more ethnicity DLC.

 

[Liir]

I completely understand that this thread is not for bug reports -- please don't kill me! -- but I feel the need to note here, because I have not seen anyone else besides myself doing this elsewhere on the CK2 forum, that the western male portraits are in fact not entirely fixed. The men age 30-49 have really messed up mouths. Perhaps this could be fixed in the next round of patches?

...I posted about this on the bug forum too, earlier today. Now that I've put it just about everywhere, I'll be quiet!

 

[BrenoEhrich]

Personally, I think I was rather lucky as far as bugs go. Other than the sorting change and my losing my saves when that patch came in (both of which aren't bugs), I have nothing to complain about.

That said, it bothers me that the community seems to have so many issues with the game and the developers would rather focus on changing the save system, changing the sorting, switching up how revolts work and how many starting troops the muslims get to violate my zoroastrian hopes.

I LOVE that this game keeps rather radically chaning and improving over the years, but they really should prioritize making the game work for people who bought it and who will keep buying. It's just bad form, maybe even kind of evil, and none of you should be defending them.

You are consumers. You bought the game. They didn't do you a favor by selling it to you. It was a business transaction.

Start acting capitalist, dammit.

 

[Krehlmar twitch/gm4ng]

Personally, I think I was rather lucky as far as bugs go. Other than the sorting change and my losing my saves when that patch came in (both of which aren't bugs), I have nothing to complain about.

That said, it bothers me that the community seems to have so many issues with the game and the developers would rather focus on changing the save system, changing the sorting, switching up how revolts work and how many starting troops the muslims get to violate my zoroastrian hopes.

I LOVE that this game keeps rather radically chaning and improving over the years, but they really should prioritize making the game work for people who bought it and who will keep buying. It's just bad form, maybe even kind of evil, and none of you should be defending them.

You are consumers. You bought the game. They didn't do you a favor by selling it to you. It was a business transaction.

Start acting capitalist, dammit.

This guy speaks the truth.

I mean in truth all I ask for is that they change the Ironman save system, and if you check inside the bug report sub-forum the biggest topic is one asking them to fix Ironman.

It's just a impossibility that someone gets a 500h+ run without bugs or desync from the steam-server. And having had my now 1000h of play plagued by this being repeated over and over I'm starting to lose hope that Paradox actually listens to their loyal consumers. We really want to play the game, heck we do even when it keeps crashing and bugging on us, but there's a limit.

A true example on why the current save-system is so badly designed is how old bugs are saved into the save even if there's a patch. I mean can't they rewrite their own games saves? Or are they afraid people cheat in singleplayer for achievements? Who cares honestly?

 

[DesVoeux]

(Also I'm not trying to be mean but why do people still play CK2 in ironman? The chance of having to quit a game several centuries in because of a game-breaking bug is way too high to even take the risk. )

Because Paradox forces us to play Ironman to earn Achievements. (Unlike XCOM, which is the game that actually popularized "Ironman" mode!) At least Ironman somewhat works in CK2, it's inexplicably grayed out in EU4.

 

[Woopzilla]

Personally, I don't mind them producing patches that trash old save games. It's just a game in the end.

Trying to make every fix retroactive for previous versions probably invalidates other simpler solutions to the problem and might make fixing it more complex than it has to be while potentially resulting in more broken code and bugs... all for sake of not stepping on a few people's toes. In a few months time, who is going to benefit from these 'backwards compatible' fixes when there isn't anyone starting games in version 2.1.x anymore? I'd rather they just fix things without regard to how it affects old saves just so that we can sooner have a game where the list of critical/obvious bugs are minimal.

 

[Donelloth]

No. Screaming at Paradox that the game still has bugs in every single Patch notes forum is far from the answer. Keep reporting any bug that don't get fixed or that you feel they are over looking in the bug forum and try to have some class.

Small but faster bug fixes are definitely better and we shouldn't be scaring them off from the option. Have patience.

That said, any sort of confirmation when quick notes come out that there is another patch in the works to resolve currently unfixed issues would probably do something to calm the sudden rashes of hysteria and panic.

Although, I'm sure that'll just set the forums up for future panic. Always something.

 

[yezhanquan]

That said, any sort of confirmation when quick notes come out that there is another patch in the works to resolve currently unfixed issues would probably do something to calm the sudden rashes of hysteria and panic.

Given PDS's style, this can be left unsaid. They'll always work on patches. That, I give it to them. But, it's hard to feel classy after MP was broken since 2.1.1 and still has issues even now.

PDS wanted CK 2 to be different from past PDS games: stable and playable on the day of release. With RoI, it's lapsing. That is the scary thing.

 

[Drake_Hound]

- Save games now written to virtual memory before writing them physically to improve stability.


WoW don't ever do this , even with notepad++ adding numbers slows down the process power .
You guys have big saves even compressed let alone the saves when battles is happening across 5 continent simultanously.

While applaud the effort and idea , it is a crazy fix .

 

[C0mmissarCain]

Game not found.

I have really held my tongue over the whole broken multiplayer thing, but it has honestly been over a month. We've done every fix written in these forums and never had any results. This patch unsurprisingly didn't fix anything multiplayer related for us. It looks like my group is backdating to 2.0.4 once again and can forgot all about the DLC we bought on the 25th of last month.

 

[Groogy]

The people still having mp issues, have you tried restarting steam since the update and have you tried different hosts?
Also connect by id should always work and joining by your friends list.

 

[Krehlmar twitch/gm4ng]

The people still having mp issues, have you tried restarting steam since the update and have you tried different hosts?
Also connect by id should always work and joining by your friends list.

Please is there anyone at paradox who is looking into the 2.1.3-2.1.4 still having 50% religious unrest modifier not going away on provinces in India?

 

[Kagernaut]

We haven't been able to reproduce this bug I'm afraid as it is a very rare one. Since you have already done it two times in a short time span is quite amazing and if you find a way to reliably reproduce it we would love to hear about it.

Reloading seems to fix this.

No notes on save games being completely compatible?

 

[esbenmf]

On MP: We have tried restart, connect to ID, steamfriend join, normal join game, with and without password, different hosts. We can play EU IV MP perfectly fine though. Something is not working in CK still.

 

[Groogy]

On MP: We have tried restart, connect to ID, steamfriend join, normal join game, with and without password, different hosts. We can play EU IV MP perfectly fine though. Something is not working in CK still.

On what Os?