Crusader Kings 3 Dev Diary #50 - Poetry to my Ears

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Yes, would be great. Yet another thing that would be interesting were the many poetry and music competitions akin to tournaments that some major patrons held for the creative that pulled musicians and poets from across the continent in some cases. One being famous minnessänger Margrave Heinrich of Meissen.
Tannhäuser flavor event chain when?
 
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When can you send poems? Is the only limit the prestige paid, or is there a time limit between sending poems to the same/different people?
 

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Once we know the theme and subject (if any), we can feed that into custom localisation functions that randomise a couplet. At present, we have both intro and outro functions for each theme, as well as title generation, allowing us to generate ditties between two and four lines in length plus title, though I hope to expand on these in future.

Since these are just ordinary custom locs, they can be dropped into any event or event chain fairly easily, meaning we can auto-generate bad poetry anywhere in future.
Well, could we have a look at randomly generated poetries in other languages, especially Asian languages (Chinese and Korean)?
After all, their structures are very different from western ones...
 
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I'm just glad the kids and grandkids aren't going to scarper off any more. That was really irritating!
 
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Also, will those of us who purchased the Royal Edition finally get all the headwear we were supposed to get?
 

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Romance be not foreign to us,
the rules we both knoweth.
Marriage is what I bethinking,
nay one else can offer thee this.

I lay bare mine feelings upon thee,
I desire thy understanding.

I shalt at each moment support thee,
I shalt at each moment satisfy thee,
I shalt at each moment be faithful to thee,
I shalt at each moment bringeth a smile upon thy lips,
I shalt at each moment stay with thee,
I shalt at each moment be truthful to thee and never bringeth thee pain
 
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Can only rulers be poets or can we have random bards/poets adventureing across the world and suddenly ending up in our court?
 
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First of all: great DD, things like this are what makes CK a truly special game for me :) Patch notes also look very good, especially the end of MaA 'teleporting', grandchildren staying at court and being able to see allied army paths.

- The Yearly Event pools have been restructured, and a lot of triggers loosened or removed outright. In practice this means that you’ll see more events when playing (roughly one random event from this pool every 4 years rather than every 5-6 years). This also means that some extremely rare events will now appear more frequently.
I also like this. One - rather general - question though: is the trigger for random events completely unrelated to the player's in-game-situation? What I mean is that I truly enjoy every kind of random event happening whilst I'm not at war, but find random events sometimes annoying or immersion-breaking during war time (especially when I'm leading an army in far-off lands and a random event is about something happening to me personally at court). It would be kind of great to have (at least slightly) more random events in peace time and less random events when at war.
 
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I've been missing the poet trait quite a lot actually. There were so many troubadours that were rulers, not to mention all the troubadours that were sponsored by rulers who went across the land like rockstars from court to court, it certainly merits its own flavour pack. Cour d'amour in general actually.
I totally agree! The "cultural" game was very much lacking in CK2, even books were just treated as artifacts like many others. Some rulers were literally obsessed with the cultural life of their courts, and it doesn't just include poetry.
One of my CK dreams is that one day we get an expansion focused on medieval geography, with more or less reliable reports about what happens beyond a certain distance, instead of seeing everything as it happens. The end date of CK coincides with an era of deeper interconnectivity, so I think it would make sense to see more and more of the actual world as time goes on. And one of the ways to extend your view would be the cultural activity of your court. If you focus too much on economy and military, sure you'll have a powerful realm, but you will lack of informations. Let's not forget that a lot of informations travelled with people like trobadors and others.
 
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Any chance we can add a toggle or option restricting the barbershop to clothes that actually make sense for the person (given their culture, religion, rank, etc.). I already basically never use it because there’s too much nonsensical garb to go through, it sounds like that’ll be even worse now. Not trying to ruin anyone’s fun, just asking for a simple QoL change. I’d like to choose from reasonable possibilities, without having to wade through all the nonsensical fantasy.
 
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- The renown cost of acquiring Dynasty Legacies has been overhauled. Instead a linear progression (1000, 2000, 3000… etc.) the cost is now dynamic. It should be much easier to unlock your first few Legacy perks, but significantly harder to unlock all Legacies in the game.

- All Dynasty Legacy perks have been rebalanced. Their effects should now be much more tangible and interesting.

I like this. As a tool for differentiating your dynasty, it didn't quite work when it took so long to even pick the first one and how little difference a lot of them made.

- AI rulers who form an alliance in the middle of a war now wait 1 month before calling their new ally to arms.

AND

- Players now receive a warning when their enemy in a war forms a new alliance

Proof that devs are reading the threads right here. There was a big thread about this in the last few weeks.
 
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Not to be pendantic, but wouldn't a goblet or a chalice better fit nice and expensive wine? A mug makes it more sound like the house staff was all out of mason jars and gave their Duke the first thing they had on hand

Also, will the Incompetence poems be used with a return of flyting? It'd be an interesting event to see at feasts between rivals, pulling out their repetoire of insults until the other can't compete
 
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Not to be pendantic, but wouldn't a goblet or a chalice better fit nice and expensive wine? A mug makes it more sound like the house staff was all out of mason jars and gave their Duke the first thing they had on hand

Also, will the Incompetence poems be used with a return of flyting? It'd be an interesting event to see at feasts between rivals, pulling out their repetoire of insults until the other can't compete
I quite like the idea of a crap, clueless poet drinking champagne from a mug, thinking it makes them look super-sophisticed.
 
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Very interesting content !

Will the poet trait give some social advantages according to your culture ? For example, in western Europe, the Occitan culture was found of poetry with troubadour/trobaritz, or persian/arabian petry in middle east ?
 

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Tannhäuser flavor event chain when?
I hear you, but I'm more of a Walter von der Vogelweide fanboii. All-time favourite 13th-century Minnesänger.
 
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When can you send poems? Is the only limit the prestige paid, or is there a time limit between sending poems to the same/different people?
There's a time limit on the sender, and then a more generous one against specific people. So you can send a poem to one character, then send a poem to another character after a couple of years, but you usually can't send a poem to the first character again until they've had time for the first set of effects to wear off.

:p I suppose you could get around the time limit by coordinating mass poetry smear campaigns against particular characters in MP, but that feels very edge case.

Can only rulers be poets or can we have random bards/poets adventureing across the world and suddenly ending up in our court?
:) Any character.

Not to be pendantic, but wouldn't a goblet or a chalice better fit nice and expensive wine? A mug makes it more sound like the house staff was all out of mason jars and gave their Duke the first thing they had on hand

Also, will the Incompetence poems be used with a return of flyting? It'd be an interesting event to see at feasts between rivals, pulling out their repetoire of insults until the other can't compete
^^ It's a variable loc key, so it's not always wine that goes in there, just an expensive regional drink. That said, we've had an amount of feedback on it (damned time travelling shampaggan), so we'll likely give it a once-over to make it more immersive in future.

Incompetence isn't currently used in flyting, I'm afraid, but perhaps in future.
 
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Torturing people with bad poetry? I don’t think that’s what was missing...
 
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