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Metabolism doesn't work like this. Calories in, calories out.

Calories out can vary pretty significantly person-to-person. Resting BMR of two apparently similar people can be a few hundred apart and over time this can add up to a significant difference in weight at identical calories. If you add any activity level differences or say a 6 inch height difference you could easily see weight gain of > 1 pound/week vs maintenance between two people.

Bodybuilders in today's times eat > 3000 calories/day. Try that w/o their activity level and most people will become fatties, even eating the same stuff. On that note, I don't know enough about daily life for rulers in CK 2 time periods (which span quite a few centuries!) or what types of foods were available. They didn't have the kind of processed junk food we have in modern times or things like cars, so I suspect the baseline "calories out" would be higher even for nobility and that obesity would be comparatively rare in the time period, though still happening sometimes.
 

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I'm glad the game is not completely predictable.

I do agree, when you are "on a streak," just crushed a rival infidel realm, won a duel on the battlefield, have 500 coin in the coffers, have the largest personal levy of any liege this side of Francia, wife and two of your three concubines just got pregnant again (ah! three MORE younglings to add to my already existing bunch of 6!), and *BAM!* I'm now "Depressed" . . .

. . . but . . . random, unpredictable shiz happens in real life too. The game would be MUCH worse if it did not include such stuff, and so far, I feel like they have it pretty well dialed to be believable, immersive and fun (as long as you approach the game the way it was meant to be approached, as a Dynasty simulator, NOT as a strategic war game).

A successful ruler who does NOT have EVERY POSSIBLE FACTOR which might mitigate developing obesity becoming Obese seems fine.
 

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Wait, I don't get it. Aren't grains like wheat and rice very rich in carbohydrates? And why would eating a lot of non-sugar carbohydrates make you fat? I understand that Medieval people's energy usage was completely different from today's, but through history most settled peoples have had very carbohydrate-rich diets (again, not inluding sucrose), although obesity has varied wildly. Also, why does eating less fat make you fat?

If your diet is low in fat you tend to crave carbs. Your body WANTS fat, if you insist on not eating any then your body concludes you're in a starvation situation and you start craving high-carb and high-sugar foods. Carbs are easy-access calories where fat is something your process slowly, so that it's ironically easier to get fat eating lots of carbs because your body finds it easier to turn carbs into bodyfat than fat you eat.

TL;DR - a low fat diet is very bad for you, particularly a diet low in polyunsaturated fat.
 

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If your diet is low in fat you tend to crave carbs. Your body WANTS fat, if you insist on not eating any then your body concludes you're in a starvation situation and you start craving high-carb and high-sugar foods. Carbs are easy-access calories where fat is something your process slowly, so that it's ironically easier to get fat eating lots of carbs because your body finds it easier to turn carbs into bodyfat than fat you eat.

TL;DR - a low fat diet is very bad for you, particularly a diet low in polyunsaturated fat.

Ah, I think I understand a bit better now. Thank you for your answer!
 

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Hm none of my "Fat" characaters ever had Gluttonous trait.

After ca. 500 years I think I've had all of 3 characters that weren't fat, none of the fatties had gluttonous except one guy. 2 characters then got malnourished. Everyone was educated with steward focus if that makes any difference. A lot of them did however go with carousing to get that socializer trait before going theology and Benedictine.
 

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I think I have to intervene here before someone takes dietary advice from the previous comments. Most of the statements made here are either false or there is nothing scientific behind them to support the claims.
Note that I am no dietetician myself either, but I have researched the topic extensively and even tested on myself.

The formula for weight gain:
calories in - calories out = net calories
if net calories > 0 => gain fat

Simple as that. Does not matter what, how or when you eat. For pure weight loss only calories count.
You can either increase the "calories out" by moving more or reduce "calories in" by eating less or eating less calorie-dense foods.

Why are we fatter than the nobility of the middle ages?
- Modern foods are produced to be energy rich. Refined sugar in the middle ages was rare (and it existed only in the form of syrups, honey and such which are slightly less calorie-dense than pure sugar) and in the modern age it is added to almost everything. Sweet tooth was mostly satisfied with fruits (which we tend not to prefer when we have to choose say, between an apple and chocolate) which are not very calorie-rich either. Our modern grain products are more refined (= more starch-rich = more energy per unit weight) than they were in the middle ages. In the middle ages fat was mostly within meat, nuts and vegetables. Our foods these days contain more fat in the form of added oils (eg. fries).
- We have easier access to high energy natural foods. Nuts, dates, fatty meat. Easily accessible by anyone and these were probably a rare sight even among nobility.
- Lack of new world food. Middle ages Europe had a pretty bleak variety of vegetables. Imagine a world where your veggie choices were pretty much low calorie squashes (forget pumpkins!), leafy and root vegetables. Forget the potato family (eg. tomato) and other more caloric veggies from the new world.
- Higher average caloric expense per person. Middle ages had crude transportation, which was mainly horses. Riding horses burn much more calories than driving cars. Pretty much all hobbies back then involved physical activity (archery, swordsmanship, hunting etc.)
 

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I generally think there should be reliable ways to lose fat or malnourished. Like war focus or decision etc. Same with uncouth which I don't think even has any kind of event that removes it.

edit/ apparently there are some events removing fat/uncouth/malnourished, I would love to know how to fire them
 
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Also, those with Temperate Traits should have less chance of getting fat. Right now, the Fat Trait is just like Papal excommunications. Everyone is getting it.