Crusader Kings 2 merged with Mount and Blade: Warband

[Spartanlemur]

I'd prefer if they focused on sprucing up politics, both within your realm and internationally. More events, more political options, more "scandalous" options. More repercussions for decisions you make. Save adding in hardcore military strategy possibly for CKIII (by then someone will have probably figured out how to effectively merge the two mechanics). And just so you know, I actually am a proponent of adding in more tactical military strategy to CKII. I love role playing my kings as generals, and I feel in general that kings should be out on the battlefield with their men to at least heighten morale if they aren't particularly great marshals. Only if my ruler's martial ability was 0 and I was totally inept militarily would I elect to sit my ruler out of the battle. But I feel like shoehorning into CKII would have a poor result.

This wouldn't be a Crusader Kings game. It would be a Mount and Blade style game with a Crusader Kings influenced strategy map.

Crusader Kings 3 is a grand strategy game first and foremost, and doesn't lose out too much from cutting the battles, as long as the intrigue and characters are well developed.
Mount and Blade is an action-RPG game which could benefit hugely from better macro-scale management of things. I mean, I don't play Mount and Blade anymore because I find it boring that no king ever dies and kingdoms usually retain the same regions. Childbirth, ageing and death are needed along with CK2-like succession mechanics, which would make that game a great experience.

 

[grisamentum]

You can tell people are bored and that Paradox has waited too long to announce the next DLC when this thread gets resurrected again.

 

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This wouldn't be a Crusader Kings game. It would be a Mount and Blade style game with a Crusader Kings influenced strategy map.

Crusader Kings 3 is a grand strategy game first and foremost, and doesn't lose out too much from cutting the battles, as long as the intrigue and characters are well developed.
Mount and Blade is an action-RPG game which could benefit hugely from better macro-scale management of things. I mean, I don't play Mount and Blade anymore because I find it boring that no king ever dies and kingdoms usually retain the same regions. Childbirth, ageing and death are needed along with CK2-like succession mechanics, which would make that game a great experience.

Who are you to say what is or isn't a game that won't come out for another 5 years? Fine don't call it CK3 who gives a shit, call it "Super Totally Awesome Game" for all I care.

 

[sreckom92]

On the day when my computer, and the AI as well, can handle 100 thousand on a battlefield, I will surely buy such game. But to play battles with 1000 soldiers max on a map in 3rd/1st person? Or 10 thousand in a strategic view? Too small numbers....

 

[Spartanlemur]

Who are you to say what is or isn't a game that won't come out for another 5 years? Fine don't call it CK3 who gives a shit, call it "Super Totally Awesome Game" for all I care.

I was trying to be pragmatic. I'd love it if they added 3D battles into Crusader Kings 3 with the ability to control your character. I'd also love it if they visualised your court as a 3D environment where intrigue could occur, you could take part in flavourful minigames, view your trophies and watch your castle improvements get made.
The feeling I get from Paradox Development Studio is that they make versatile games which are able to run on slightly dated laptops. I may be wrong, but I do think they're trying to keep these games suitable for low-end PC's.

That's why I express reservations talking about such a game as Crusader Kings 3, though you're right that it will likely be coming out in no less than five years, and so the majority of laptops will have higher-quality hardware by then. I suppose we shall have to wait and see what direction Paradox choose to go in with CKIII, though I remain doubtful that they'll head in such a radically different direction (though it would be a more than welcome surprise).

 

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I was trying to be pragmatic. I'd love it if they added 3D battles into Crusader Kings 3 with the ability to control your character. I'd also love it if they visualised your court as a 3D environment where intrigue could occur, you could take part in flavourful minigames, view your trophies and watch your castle improvements get made.
The feeling I get from Paradox Development Studio is that they make versatile games which are able to run on slightly dated laptops. I may be wrong, but I do think they're trying to keep these games suitable for low-end PC's.

That's why I express reservations talking about such a game as Crusader Kings 3, though you're right that it will likely be coming out in no less than five years, and so the majority of laptops will have higher-quality hardware by then. I suppose we shall have to wait and see what direction Paradox choose to go in with CKIII, though I remain doubtful that they'll head in such a radically different direction (though it would be a more than welcome surprise).

To be totally honest, my vision of more military tactics doesn't even involve large scale 3d animation. I just simply want more clearly defined meanings to leading armies and more decisions to do things other than just "lead ___ flank" and see numbers reduced on a map. The way the actual battles take place is totally fine in my opinion, I just wish battles and armies and militarization were more clearly defined.

 

[pjnlsn]

what I would like to see is a new M&B with deeper campaign level gameplay, CKII is excellent but M&B despite being a *little* crude was more realistic in a few ways, for example in that you can't see things taking place across millions of acres of land in real time - it was just you and your leader and how far you could scout from your army

sadly it seems like they've left M&B behind in favor of war of the roses which obviously is just pure battles

 

[namretsbol]

Horrible idea. I like my strategy and tactics separate.

 

[riknap]

what I would like to see is a new M&B with deeper campaign level gameplay, CKII is excellent but M&B despite being a *little* crude was more realistic in a few ways, for example in that you can't see things taking place across millions of acres of land in real time - it was just you and your leader and how far you could scout from your army

sadly it seems like they've left M&B behind in favor of war of the roses which obviously is just pure battles

MnB and WotR are made by two completely different companies though.
and MnB 2 is apparently on the works.

 

[Scotty the Scot]

You know what would be great though? If the next Mount and Blade game had some Crusader Kings features... like actually being able to establish a dynasty or set up companions or children on the thrones of other kingdoms, and not just stomping down other kingdoms... That'd be cool.

 

[gagelange10]

Well it would be hard on a computer to put 2000 guys on a battlefield.

 

[TehJumpingJawa]

Distributed computing magic ftw.

 

[ThaBus]

The idea of full 3d tactical combat like total war(M&B is far too small in scale) in a game like ck2 or its sequels is ridiculous, it would be an insane amount of effort for PI with no real profit advantage(you weren't going to buy a game like this solely because it has 3d combat). The best you could realistically do would be an EXTREMELY adapted hearts of iron style combat allowing for things such as planned flanking, encirclement etc.

 

[Liverjuice]

This wouldn't be a Crusader Kings game. It would be a Mount and Blade style game with a Crusader Kings influenced strategy map.

Crusader Kings 3 is a grand strategy game first and foremost, and doesn't lose out too much from cutting the battles, as long as the intrigue and characters are well developed.
Mount and Blade is an action-RPG game which could benefit hugely from better macro-scale management of things. I mean, I don't play Mount and Blade anymore because I find it boring that no king ever dies and kingdoms usually retain the same regions. Childbirth, ageing and death are needed along with CK2-like succession mechanics, which would make that game a great experience.

I would pay an unreasonable amount of money for Mount and Blade 2 if it let CK2 influence it a little bit. Or a lot. Maybe we can band together into some sort of faction, and present our demands to the TaleWorlds employees for more grand strategy in their action/rpg game.

 

[Thiomay]

Kingdom Come: Deliverance might be interesting. It's not exactly the crossover we wished for but it's a medieval sandbox.

 

[pjnlsn]

Kingdom Come: Deliverance might be interesting. It's not exactly the crossover we wished for but it's a medieval sandbox.

looks neat

 

[Tengri]

That looks very cool but the world seems pretty small, I'll have to wait and see if the new M&B turns out well.. I prefer 3rd person for combat.

My dream game would be CK2, but you have the option to go off on "ridings" with your retinue and have tactical adventures & combat like what M&B offers. You would be able to switch back and forth, but would not be FORCED to use either.

Would make playing as a landless character within the world of CK2 an awful lot of fun.

 

[sumdood]

Would make playing as a landless character within the world of CK2 an awful lot of fun.

That would be a lot of fun. It would solve the problem of making landless characters playable because there isn't much to do. You would only play battles when your current character is leading an army so if you wanted to focus on building an empire vs tactical combat you can just set someone else as a leader.

I think a Total War-like battle would be more appropriate though. It allows for more units and better control of armies. I'm sure the folks that made King Arthur could come up with something non-fantasy to fit into an epic CK2 tactical battle DLC.

 

[Tuerai]

I would actually much prefer a M&B mod that used CK2's province map, and just added a faction for (almost) every de jure Kingdom. Which doesn't sound impossible, so I may have to look into modding. Although now that PI decide to throw M&B to the fishes just before Bannerlord comes out, I'm not sure if they'd mind me stealing the CK2 map.

 

[Thiomay]

I just watched this trailer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxHOjZLRxAg&feature=player_detailpage

Seems more like mine-craft crossed with M&B. I assume Diplomacy will just be as good as the community takes it serious since it's an MMO.