Crossing penalty on sieger

[b_raven]

Hello. Wiki is a bit unclear, so I have to ask here, does sieging army get crossing penalty when attacked or it does not? I have experience that it sometimes happens, sometimes not, what are the rules? Thanks in advance.

 

[Blust]

IIRC the army sieging a fortress takes all terrain penalties when a defensive army engage the combat

 

[Meglok]

Also, you need to factor in each general's maneuver pips iirc off the top of my head.

 

[tobias.mb]

A sieging army always counts as the attacker. Terrain and crossing penalties apply as normal. If you didn't cross a river to reach the fort or your general has higher maneuver, you get no crossing penalty. Not sure what exactly are the irregularities you have found?
The reason why it is done this way (even though it's a bit unintuitive), is so you don't suffer terrain penalties for relieving a mountain fort. Otherwise mountain forts would actually be bad, since it's usually the defender starting a battle on fort provinces (since the attacker is trying to siege it down).

 

[Less2]

The reason why it is done this way (even though it's a bit unintuitive), is so you don't suffer terrain penalties for relieving a mountain fort. Otherwise mountain forts would actually be bad, since it's usually the defender starting a battle on fort provinces (since the attacker is trying to siege it down).

Canceling out the river penalties would make sense though. After all, they already crossed, potentially months or years before the battle.

 

[Greene]

The irregularities you noticed may be because if the territory is already occupied then the roles reverse.

 

[tobias.mb]

Canceling out the river penalties would make sense though. After all, they already crossed, potentially months or years before the battle.

Err... I was talking from a pure game mechanics standpoint. Realism or making sense doesn't really matter here.

 

[makaramus]

Err... I was talking from a pure game mechanics standpoint. Realism or making sense doesn't really matter here.

as far as I know you are not effected by crossing penalties but only penalties from terrain itself
like hills or mountains
rivers only effect you as you walk as I know

 

[b_raven]

Yeah, I meant river crossing penalties for the army, doing siege in your province. You relief a siege with your army, and sometimes they got -1 river crossing penalty, sometimes not, despite me always having better maneuver. It can't be random, right? There got to be some rules.

 

[WolframS67]

Yeah, I meant river crossing penalties for the army, doing siege in your province. You relief a siege with your army, and sometimes they got -1 river crossing penalty, sometimes not, despite me always having better maneuver. It can't be random, right? There got to be some rules.

Interesting question, so I did some little testing on this:

France vs England, console commands. France came to the English fort in Caen first and sieged, then England moved in.
France gets the crossing penalty for the battle (as in the picture), if

• the French army is trying to leave the province at the day the battle starts
• the French general doesn't have more pips for maneuver than the English
• the French army came from a province with a river (here Caux)

Actually more than half of the army leaving is enough. In the screenshot 13k were walking, 11k sitting, so penalty. If the French came from Chartres the crossing penalty doesn't apply. It is irrelevant where the French want to go. The last two were just to check, it is the river crossing of the path into the province that is relevant.