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Uhg I hate 1520...but oh well not my call really
Do we have a commited Poland?
Can we get an ICQ list together with there players also.
Do we have a commited Poland?
Can we get an ICQ list together with there players also.
I'll be there. Not to sure about the following week though.
Head office closed two offices in the company I work for on Friday. About 40% or our Canadian staff let go, and even less jobs for me and the remainder of us. So, that means if a job is available, I won't be saying No.
For that reason I would prefer to play a country not Vital to the game. Persia or India sounds good.
Sigh.
Moez
Head office closed two offices in the company I work for on Friday. About 40% or our Canadian staff let go, and even less jobs for me and the remainder of us. So, that means if a job is available, I won't be saying No.
For that reason I would prefer to play a country not Vital to the game. Persia or India sounds good.
Sigh.
Moez
Hi, my good fellows!
Teresina (the city iam now) is very, very hot! Even to one who is from Salvador
But at leats I was able to get a 5 hours bus trip and went to the beach this weekend.
Anyways, I will be back in Brasilia this friday and so I can return to play EU with you sooner than i thought
I was thinking in aplaying for tuesday game, as this day worked better to me than the wednsnigh game.
So, if theres a open spot for me on Cross 2, I would gladly take it.
I suppose game starts tonigh, so I can enter next week.
Teresina (the city iam now) is very, very hot! Even to one who is from Salvador
But at leats I was able to get a 5 hours bus trip and went to the beach this weekend.
Anyways, I will be back in Brasilia this friday and so I can return to play EU with you sooner than i thought
I was thinking in aplaying for tuesday game, as this day worked better to me than the wednsnigh
game. So, if theres a open spot for me on Cross 2, I would gladly take it.
I suppose game starts tonigh, so I can enter next week.
Moez, understandable. We shall see when you come in this eve and make hasty decision. Camisa, you're always welcome and we've plenty of room
Ops... change of planes in my work again... i will continue here till 17 october and later I will travel to Rio in november, so I will stay as a sub when iam around.
You can put my name on the subs list
You can put my name on the subs list
What are the advantages of 1520? I am unsure about playing it as 1492 has always worked well for me, and I don't see that much advantage in changing it.
Also, do we have a clear victory criterion? I know HG and I completely disagree on this. He seems to think the winner of the last war, or the most powerful nation at the end is the victor.
I still value VPs, as a reflection of "victory over time", ie the nation that was the strongest the longest.
If we have no establish criteria I will probably drop out soon, though I will sub if you like and carry Austria until you get a replacement.
I still value VPs, as a reflection of "victory over time", ie the nation that was the strongest the longest.
If we have no establish criteria I will probably drop out soon, though I will sub if you like and carry Austria until you get a replacement.
Steve,
1520 OE is weaker than a 1520 OE played from 1492 and gets only a few months to use Selim.
Spain is stronger relative to France.
Austria has defensive depth and inhereits Bohemia seven years in.
Portugal has a shot at being what it was historically.
That's why I want to use it... That, and it's more balanced overall.
As for "victory," I don't necessary think there is one, objective standard... Which is why there's a debate at the end of most games as to who played it best. There are two big ways to measure it:
1. Ultimate victor. The player or alliance that's strongest at game's end, overall. By this measure, Sweden would've won CQS I.
2. Finest performance. Total accomplishment, taking odds into consideration. By this measure, it was Eli's Poland without question.
Doesn't matter to me... But a country like Prussia can't compete in Victory Points, most cases, so I'm not sure how much they're worth.
1520 OE is weaker than a 1520 OE played from 1492 and gets only a few months to use Selim.
Spain is stronger relative to France.
Austria has defensive depth and inhereits Bohemia seven years in.
Portugal has a shot at being what it was historically.
That's why I want to use it... That, and it's more balanced overall.
As for "victory," I don't necessary think there is one, objective standard... Which is why there's a debate at the end of most games as to who played it best. There are two big ways to measure it:
1. Ultimate victor. The player or alliance that's strongest at game's end, overall. By this measure, Sweden would've won CQS I.
2. Finest performance. Total accomplishment, taking odds into consideration. By this measure, it was Eli's Poland without question.
Doesn't matter to me... But a country like Prussia can't compete in Victory Points, most cases, so I'm not sure how much they're worth.
mIRC
For those of you who have irc I have set up a channel.
#EU2 on Gamesnet.net
Moez
For those of you who have irc I have set up a channel.
#EU2 on Gamesnet.net
Moez
I typically use who did what vs what odds personally.
My vote is still for 1492 because 1520 is too...how to say this..restrictive. Countries like France have it alot harder colonially in this scenario and there is less player involvement (involving OE into Hungary, Sweden in Russia, France in Spain) thus we the players have less control.
My vote is still for 1492 because 1520 is too...how to say this..restrictive. Countries like France have it alot harder colonially in this scenario and there is less player involvement (involving OE into Hungary, Sweden in Russia, France in Spain) thus we the players have less control.
Well. the established criteria that game was VPs. That is partly why I would like to see that decided in advance. Personally I am not keen on the "popularity contest" method, or the "most powerful alliance". In Poland's case last game Elijah did an excellent job of negotiating alliances so that he was never in any danger the entire game, and used France as a bogeyman to help in that regard. That only really worked since VPs were the criterion.
Steve,
Couple things... In my last OE game, having taken just the Balkans, North Africa, Persia to Isfahan and two thirds of the Arabian peninsula, I'm first in VPs, with Spain a few points behind. I can colonize, fight the odd war, explore the Pacific before anyone and get a long, long ways ahead.
Similiarly, Portugal and Spain for exploration and colonies, and Russia for colonies, can cruise... While countries as well played, or better, such as Poland, Austria, France, England, Prussia, Sweden, usually can't.
But then, I don't particularly care one way or another... So if it's the best option, VPs are fine with me.
Couple things... In my last OE game, having taken just the Balkans, North Africa, Persia to Isfahan and two thirds of the Arabian peninsula, I'm first in VPs, with Spain a few points behind. I can colonize, fight the odd war, explore the Pacific before anyone and get a long, long ways ahead.
Similiarly, Portugal and Spain for exploration and colonies, and Russia for colonies, can cruise... While countries as well played, or better, such as Poland, Austria, France, England, Prussia, Sweden, usually can't.
But then, I don't particularly care one way or another... So if it's the best option, VPs are fine with me.
heh... that's a very interesting take on the situation. there was no contest for the VPs as far as i cd see near the end there, basically despite the fact that the two contenders were advocates of the VP system. poland remained difficult to touch due to the "oath" he apparently swore w/ mr. lifford never to attack him, which basically gave the two of them rather more security than wd be usual.
Well, as mentioned before when we all arrive in Lobby we can vote on '92 or '20 PE..<personally that's one of the issues I'd rather not judge on my own> It is of little consequence to me, personally I could care less.
VPs are the gauge of which victors and losers are judged, it's all we've got.<-ALL MISSIONS POINTS, not matter how they're earned> However, Relative performance of a nation accomplishments, despite it's events-leaders-inherit resources will always recieve merit, sometimes far greater than the VP Winner. There ya go, that's life when the 5ft4 man outruns the 6ft4 man people will always cheer the midget
If you do not plan to stay in your position as a vital Nation, it is highly suggested you do not take the position to begin with...
*There are no edits. A.I. Nation Rule is if you're not present, or have not presented a sub<or a sub cannot be appointed to you> you will be devoured at a 2 Province per MP player Rule per Tardy Session<that way I don't have to edit peoples inflation back up and that way we weed out players that do not show up repeatedly or give far warning ahead of time>. You have 15 minutes to be available after Lobby is set.
P.S. Forgot to mention all information about all Scenarios can be found in the readme of each PE scenario. Scroll back up to catch my link to Peter
VPs are the gauge of which victors and losers are judged, it's all we've got.<-ALL MISSIONS POINTS, not matter how they're earned> However, Relative performance of a nation accomplishments, despite it's events-leaders-inherit resources will always recieve merit, sometimes far greater than the VP Winner. There ya go, that's life when the 5ft4 man outruns the 6ft4 man people will always cheer the midget
If you do not plan to stay in your position as a vital Nation, it is highly suggested you do not take the position to begin with...
*There are no edits. A.I. Nation Rule is if you're not present, or have not presented a sub<or a sub cannot be appointed to you> you will be devoured at a 2 Province per MP player Rule per Tardy Session<that way I don't have to edit peoples inflation back up and that way we weed out players that do not show up repeatedly or give far warning ahead of time>. You have 15 minutes to be available after Lobby is set.
P.S. Forgot to mention all information about all Scenarios can be found in the readme of each PE scenario. Scroll back up to catch my link to Peter
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Drew,
Hey.
Moment of Decision.
Poland.
or
Sweden.
or
The Ottoman Empire.
If the last, I'll still take the Mughals...
Hey.
Moment of Decision.
Poland.
or
Sweden.
or
The Ottoman Empire.
If the last, I'll still take the Mughals...
I have already decline the OE... you can have her
Likely going to choose Poland<though I'm waiting to see who is absent this evening>
Likely going to choose Poland<though I'm waiting to see who is absent this evening>
Drew,
Ah, ah. Didn't realize you'd already come to that decision.
Sorry for nagging you.
Ah, ah. Didn't realize you'd already come to that decision.
Sorry for nagging you.
Originally posted by HolisticGod
Drew,
Ah, ah. Didn't realize you'd already come to that decision.
Sorry for nagging you.
hehe
Just so everyone knows. I play for vp's and that most likely will influence my decision making in this game
My vote is for the 1492 Scenario for the reasons that Skkrrt mentioned. I have always liked the big OE bogeyman.
See you in 30 min!