Cross, Quill, and Sword II - Pre Game

[Taelyn]

Game

Are we planning to continue next week? I have an experiment that I'd like to run next Tuesday night, and don't really care to end the game. France has clearly won. Russia, the Ottomans, and Spain are crushed (admittedly, France will never be able to stabhit Russia for anything significant). England and Sweden probably can't hold out against France and Portugal. At any rate, I'd like to know if we're continuing soon as I'll need to place another order of liquid helium if we aren't.

Drake, are you offering peace to the Ottomans? On what terms? Send me an ICQ with what's going on.

 

[HolisticGod]

All,

I wouldn't mind ending.

Drake and I were trying to work out a way to simulate the Campaign of Germany and the Campaign of France, but it's too complicated to be much fun... And as of now, France has won an overwhelming victory on the continent. Realistically, European Russia west of the Urals would be annexed directly to France and turned into the Duchy of Moscow, the Ukraine, the Duchy of Warsaw, the Duchy of St. Petersberg and the Duchy of the Belarus.

In fact, I might even work up a map to demonstrate how Europe is now being administered...

 

[Count Drew]

Yes, I the Ottomans have been defeated, but my Friends my Brothers in France thrive! Prussia will inherit Large portions of New Belarus, incorportated in till what will later be called Germany. Her Twin in Austria will also thrive and likely be given land grants from both former enemies OE and former friends Russia... Having had to abandon my Mughal Sunni Twin Trade Alliance some time ago and give away my stranglehold on SouthEast Europe/Italy/West Africa has harmed me greatly. That and the constant flux of %40 inflation from the onset. Longterm though the Mughals would be Annexed and OE would be the most populace and Largest Nation in the World. She would remain true to the Honorable French for the centuries to come, as she has the centuries before. Following her as her ArrowShooter, and France the Famous Swordsmen slicing through the hordes and oppressive Barbarians of the former European Regime Head<Habsbourg-Tsar-Trade Moguls> Although The English and Swedes put the pressure on the old tired Empire instead of where it may have actually accomplished some good, in Iberia Abandoning Spain and Portugal<who had to defect to the New World Order> there is nothing left that France couldn't pressure out of Sweden at least! Russia soon will be a French Vassal and Ally and force Sweden to give into the Demand in West Africa, Colonials to OE/Port/Prussia/France/Austria...

England will sit in Isolations after her forces cannot take possesions in N.Africa and Asia Minor. She will have a Strong Navy but in 20-30 years her Fortress England will be the only thing that stands of her former greatness. As the newly included Portuguese/Swedish Duchys will assist in tearing her a part overseas. A Well financed 2,000,000 Ottoman Army march across Asia and Wipe out her CoTs there. The World will now be a French one. Viva La France


England will remain 2nd in Power for now.

Tie for 3rd with Russia/Portugal/Sweden

4th Austria

5th Prussia

6th to the OE

7th the US of A

 

[L G]

Nice Post

 

[Hyzhenhok]

I'd like to say I enjoyed subbing Tuesday.

Yes, Portugal joined the new French order that shall dominate the world. After Spain and Austria (who we had been funding with large amounts of money) fell, we could see Russia alone would not be able to save the Portugese. At a French invasion, we would be helpless. English hostility further pushed us towards the finale result; becoming a French ally. I'm sure France and Austria (and Prussia and OE to a small extent) appreciated the economic aid that followed. England and Sweden can't really stand against France-Austria-Prussia-Portugal-Russia (assuming Russia takes the fun option) for long.

If you guys need a sub for your new game, then I'm probably available.

 

[Barca]

I'd like to say I enjoyed subbing Tuesday.

Yes, Portugal joined the new French order that shall dominate the world. After Spain and Austria (who we had been funding with large amounts of money) fell, we could see Russia alone would not be able to save the Portugese. At a French invasion, we would be helpless. English hostility further pushed us towards the finale result; becoming a French ally. I'm sure France and Austria (and Prussia and OE to a small extent) appreciated the economic aid that followed. England and Sweden can't really stand against France-Austria-Prussia-Portugal-Russia (assuming Russia takes the fun option) for long.

If you guys need a sub for your new game, then I'm probably available.

I was wondering where they got the money for all those troops :wacko:

 

[L G]

A lot of that aid came from the OE as well

Most of my aid came from the OE actually

 

[admiral drake]

I'd like to say I enjoyed subbing Tuesday.

Yes, Portugal joined the new French order that shall dominate the world. After Spain and Austria (who we had been funding with large amounts of money) fell, we could see Russia alone would not be able to save the Portugese. At a French invasion, we would be helpless. English hostility further pushed us towards the finale result; becoming a French ally. I'm sure France and Austria (and Prussia and OE to a small extent) appreciated the economic aid that followed. England and Sweden can't really stand against France-Austria-Prussia-Portugal-Russia (assuming Russia takes the fun option) for long.

If you guys need a sub for your new game, then I'm probably available.

england and sweden wil never truly fall aslong as we dominate the seas , you might get control of all italian provs ect but i doubt you get further then that and denmark

 

[unmerged(8301)]

england and sweden wil never truly fall aslong as we dominate the seas , you might get control of all italian provs ect but i doubt you get further then that and denmark

Psst. Sweden has a land connection to Russia. It's dead. Oh, and adding the Swedish navy to the French continental alliance will make England's position rather precarious, no?

 

[unmerged(8301)]

Yes, I the Ottomans have been defeated, but my Friends my Brothers in France thrive! Prussia will inherit Large portions of New Belarus, incorportated in till what will later be called Germany. Her Twin in Austria will also thrive and likely be given land grants from both former enemies OE and former friends Russia... Having had to abandon my Mughal Sunni Twin Trade Alliance some time ago and give away my stranglehold on SouthEast Europe/Italy/West Africa has harmed me greatly. That and the constant flux of %40 inflation from the onset. Longterm though the Mughals would be Annexed and OE would be the most populace and Largest Nation in the World. She would remain true to the Honorable French for the centuries to come, as she has the centuries before. Following her as her ArrowShooter, and France the Famous Swordsmen slicing through the hordes and oppressive Barbarians of the former European Regime Head<Habsbourg-Tsar-Trade Moguls> Although The English and Swedes put the pressure on the old tired Empire instead of where it may have actually accomplished some good, in Iberia Abandoning Spain and Portugal<who had to defect to the New World Order> there is nothing left that France couldn't pressure out of Sweden at least! Russia soon will be a French Vassal and Ally and force Sweden to give into the Demand in West Africa, Colonials to OE/Port/Prussia/France/Austria...

England will sit in Isolations after her forces cannot take possesions in N.Africa and Asia Minor. She will have a Strong Navy but in 20-30 years her Fortress England will be the only thing that stands of her former greatness. As the newly included Portuguese/Swedish Duchys will assist in tearing her a part overseas. A Well financed 2,000,000 Ottoman Army march across Asia and Wipe out her CoTs there. The World will now be a French one. Viva La France


England will remain 2nd in Power for now.

Tie for 3rd with Russia/Portugal/Sweden

4th Austria

5th Prussia

6th to the OE

7th the US of A

Hey, I'm not even in this list. I think I come ahead of the OE and the USA.

 

[L G]

After those last 2 wars? :rofl:

 

[Barca]

Well for current power, I'd say OE is indeed stronger than Spain. USA on the other hand I don't know, because England didn't give them a chance to fight a fair 1vs1 war.

 

[Barca]

And Russia on par with Portugal? Perhaps Portugal can influence nations with her money, but I think thats as far has her power reaches. And although Russia has lost, it is far from defeated.

 

[HolisticGod]

Hyz,

A sub?

Why not come on board as a regular? The thread is up (if a bit stilted-we need everyone who's doing the new one to pop by and say so) and we now play Mondays at 5:30 Pacific.

You're more than welcome.

Dane,

Oh, it's defeated. If I had to occupy all of your cores (I can stab for vassalage, you know, after 1815, meaning it couldn't be broken before the end of the game) to do it, which is merely a trick of the engine, then so be it. But Russia is as much a part of French hegemony as Spain, at least, which was about to fall under the rest of the ax. In truth, including its allies, France rules Europe from Tago to Astrakahn.

 

[admiral drake]

Psst. Sweden has a land connection to Russia. It's dead. Oh, and adding the Swedish navy to the French continental alliance will make England's position rather precarious, no?

hehe you guys got to get passed the deadly winter first tho

 

[HolisticGod]

Drake,

Not if I take Northerly provinces, build them to max and stock them with 600,000 troops under Napoleon and Lannes.

At any rate, are we agreed that this is over? If so, I'm going to whip up a brief biography of Napoleon's rise to power and his ravenous campaigns/administration of Europe, and I suggest everyone pop over to the CQS III thread.

 

[Taelyn]

Rankings

I'm not sure about those rankings. Sweden has as much money as Portugal, as large a fleet, and far, far more manpower. Putting them as equal seems a bit odd since the only thing truely equalizing them is Portugal's alliance to France.

And Shig's right about Finland, and Sweden's only hope would be using the Baltic to ambush French reinforcements, which would only last until the rebuilt Portuguese fleet shows up. Of course, France and Sweden/England have cooperated for a long time, so perhaps that would never happen, and instead the entire world would conquer the rest of the dying Spanish and Ottoman Empires.

At any rate, is there a decision on whether the game is finished, or are we going to continue it to the bitter end?

 

[HolisticGod]

Taelyn,

I would say that if the NAP with England were waived in the event of a French invasion of Sweden (which would only come with the total mastery of Spain and Russia, probably sometime around 1815), which would not necessarily happen given the advantage England would have siding with France to avert Turkish and Russian invasions of Central Asia and to capture Swedish colonies for herself, it'd be very difficult for even Napolistic Bonagard to launch a successful invasion of Scandinavia itself. Finland could probably be occupied, along with English Germany and Italy and Jutland, but without a fleet capable of siezing the Sund, commanding the Channel or protecting the Baltic, much less doing all three, the guerilla warfare along the Iberian, French, African, Balkan and Anatolian coasts would prevent any decisive victory.

However, with mastery of all of Europe, the Empire would eventually be capable of putting out a fleet the equal or better of the Anglo-Swedish. Meanwhile, with Russia properly subjagated, an Asia and Africa would eventually fall in their entirety to Napoleon, allowing for an extremely effective embargo.

Then again, yes, I could see the French, exhausted and always champions of peace, agreeing to a trilateral, and eventually quadrilateral (the US) balance of power, with the continent on the one hand, England on the other and Sweden on the last. Of course, in realistic terms, England-Sweden-the US combined would be outmatched by the Empire of Europe making the situation, at best, bilateral (and probably, despite best intentions, a magnificent cold war battled out in South America and Asia)

 

[Count Drew]

Ahhh, Shigure's Spain. Indeed finished above USA in one respect. The fact that the USA didn't have the time nor the Power to finish above Spain. Also the fact that Spain has been harrassed and Strongarmed from the getgo by UberFrance USA has had English Aide in becoming a real Power. Really the fight should've been 1v1 England USA, with the Main Body of England's Forces tied up in Europe fighting a Major. I saw how Spain fought valiantly through several Wars over the passing Centuries, and 1 territory at a time she was demoted from King, to Prince, to Regent... Not her fault at all. Dave is an ultimate Enemy and he's like a Python, puts the pressure on Early and keeps it comming throughout. I've personally bordered him in every MP I've played with him and know not to trust that old snake But Spain should've known his behavoirism and knocked him down a notch right off. I will never trust Dave again as a Border Enemy, only as a Border Ally. Took me 3 times to learn...

France really has no competition. Sure you may contend that a Successful invasion of Scandanavia is impossible. That France wouldn't work against Sweden or England? However in a way I think that may be untrue. To be honest England hasn't even beat the Ottomans 1v1 yet, nor has Sweden. The truth be told, they had to wait till she was fully committed to attacking Russia and if it wasn't for the inflation they inflicted during the last wars OE would have enough standing Army to contend with their petty 200-300k Invasion forces in around Africa-Asia Minor. I'm not very impressed with all this income that UK-Sweden has amassed and not really put to much use. Russia has put her income to best use, with a CC in every province. I'm not interested in how much money you make or who you can bribe, it's how far your stretch every last dime. I think the Russians are more hurt by not having a Navy in this game and spending money on a Campaign against the Chinese. They could've used Uberforts in the Baltic. I believe that with 5-6 well placed Maximums and several Large forts, and 600k behind it you'd be able to push back Nappy and Recharge long enough to be a threat. Plus Russia can't take the stabs with all that Chinese and foreign junk territory that is not a profit gain.

Mughal actually on the VP board finished above most Countries listed and she was abandoned well over a Century ago. She can now build CCs as well

If my dream of a United Mongol Empire would've prevail, I tell you this, those COTs would've never been lost and to assist the OE a Million Mughal Troops would be pumped out every year... Kinda sad that SP abandoned our game in the Heat of it.

 

[Count Drew]

VP Standings as of Jan.1st 1807

Portugal: 3778
Sweden: 3772
France: 3652
OE: 2849
Russia: 2810
Mugal Empire: 2615
England: 2573
Spain 2228
Prussia: 1037
USA: 917
Austria: 167