Croatia PU w Hungary + Ragusa into Croatia

[Moac]

I would suggest making the following changes:
1. Croatia should be in personal union with Hungary or be under some form of dependency under Hungary, not simply an annexed part.
(while you are at it, change Croatia´s political map-mode color: anything other then green, resembles ottoman green)
2. Ragusa should have a decision to form Croatia by annexing the Croatian provinces.
(changing nation to Croatia, moving capital and getting Croatian national ideas would be advised)

Previous thread: http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum...rsonal-Union-with-Hungary-%28sn%E4lla-fixa%29

I have made a thread about this going back several months, most of the commenters seem to agree upon my requests especially the Ragusa into Croatia aspect.

Hope this gets implemented into the game.

 

[ragingrondo12]

In the Words of Johan:

SERBIA STRONK!!


In othernews, Johan PLS.

 

[PiriReis]

In the Words of Johan:

SERBIA STRONK!!


In othernews, Johan PLS.

NOhan

+1 to OP

 

[Petrucci]

Am against Croatia in PU but support Ragusa or any nation with Croatian as primary culture to Croatia.

 

[DanubianCossak]

Serbian lobby too stronk

 

[Moac]

Serbian lobby too stronk

Silly Serbs, .

on topic: lets make it happen.

 

[net.split]

Not sure about moving capital; if Ragusa forms Croatia, it should probably be a Croatia ruled from Ragusa. I'm betting that's strategically more optimal as well, since Ragusa is a fairly valuable province.

Croatian PU also does make some sense: see here

Only possible issue is that Hungary tends to get decimated as is, so Hungary would need some kind of buff at the same time to compensate.

 

[ragingrondo12]

Not sure about moving capital; if Ragusa forms Croatia, it should probably be a Croatia ruled from Ragusa. I'm betting that's strategically more optimal as well, since Ragusa is a fairly valuable province.

Croatian PU also does make some sense: see here

Only possible issue is that Hungary tends to get decimated as is, so Hungary would need some kind of buff at the same time to compensate.

Idk like maybe buffing their BT so that it is the accurate for 1444 and not 1530 something?
Hungary is an 18 province nation (a lot) with a BT of 58ish. 6 prince Bohemia and 7 province Austria have 10-25 more BT.

Buff Hungary. (And I'm not just saying this because I am them in an MP game.)

 

[MarinoLucic00]

Croatia should be vassal of hungary or in PU with hungary because histroy says that
or then just give Ragusa decission to make croatia (that will not happend very often,almost never but still)

 

[Moac]

Idk like maybe buffing their BT so that it is the accurate for 1444 and not 1530 something?
Hungary is an 18 province nation (a lot) with a BT of 58ish. 6 prince Bohemia and 7 province Austria have 10-25 more BT.

Buff Hungary. (And I'm not just saying this because I am them in an MP game.)

Indeed, Hungary can easily be buffed and Croatia needs to be in PU , due to historical reasons and Ragusa should be able to form Croatia.

 

[PiriReis]

Idk like maybe buffing their BT so that it is the accurate for 1444 and not 1530 something?
Hungary is an 18 province nation (a lot) with a BT of 58ish. 6 prince Bohemia and 7 province Austria have 10-25 more BT.

Buff Hungary. (And I'm not just saying this because I am them in an MP game.)

Why? Hungary got partitioned during this era and was basically a battleground between the Habsburgs and the Turks.

 

[balmung60]

Why? Hungary got partitioned during this era and was basically a battleground between the Habsburgs and the Turks.

Because starting the game with the values of your provinces reflecting events that historically, have not happened yet, and in-game, might never happen doesn't make any sense. It's like how Vijayanagara was a base tax 2 quasi-wasteland until 1.8 because it got razed more than 100 years after the game started, and even now, despite being a city comparable to Paris, Constantinople, Beijing, or any number of other major cities, isn't even the richest city in Vijayanagar (current base tax is 5, while Vijayanagar holds multiple base tax 7 provinces).

If a country or province needs to get razed/devalued/partitioned to reflect history, then use DHEs. However, these outcomes shouldn't be set in stone, or worse, already done before they've happened.

 

[ragingrondo12]

Because starting the game with the values of your provinces reflecting events that historically, have not happened yet, and in-game, might never happen doesn't make any sense. It's like how Vijayanagara was a base tax 2 quasi-wasteland until 1.8 because it got razed more than 100 years after the game started, and even now, despite being a city comparable to Paris, Constantinople, Beijing, or any number of other major cities, isn't even the richest city in Vijayanagar (current base tax is 5, while Vijayanagar holds multiple base tax 7 provinces).

If a country or province needs to get razed/devalued/partitioned to reflect history, then use DHEs. However, these outcomes shouldn't be set in stone, or worse, already done before they've happened.

My various arguments in a nutshell.

 

[net.split]

Because starting the game with the values of your provinces reflecting events that historically, have not happened yet, and in-game, might never happen doesn't make any sense. It's like how Vijayanagara was a base tax 2 quasi-wasteland until 1.8 because it got razed more than 100 years after the game started, and even now, despite being a city comparable to Paris, Constantinople, Beijing, or any number of other major cities, isn't even the richest city in Vijayanagar (current base tax is 5, while Vijayanagar holds multiple base tax 7 provinces).

If a country or province needs to get razed/devalued/partitioned to reflect history, then use DHEs. However, these outcomes shouldn't be set in stone, or worse, already done before they've happened.

+1

Also please provide an option to turn off all of these major transformative events. It'd be nice to play the game knowing that substantial upheavels like the Burgundian Inheritance and the Iberian Wedding can't actually happen except through the standard mechanics already in place (Personal Unions, etc).

 

[Moac]

Everyone rejoice , http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?819818-Patch-1.9-New-Achievements

they seem to be adding formable Croatia!!! most likely Ragusa (Dubrovnik >into> Croatia).

lets just hope they also changed the national color from that puke nuclear green to a fitting one: Red - white - blue (any shade)