Crisis of the Ming Dynasty

[melvin85]

The requirement to come out of the crisis seem to be bugged it suppose to get 75 mandate to get out but it now include both even if you active the DLC mandate of heaven or not. It is pissing me off when I play MING

If the following conditions are true, the disaster will end:

• if Mandate of Heaven is active, at least one of:
  • has at least 75 mandate.
  • is not the Emperor of China
• if Mandate of Heaven is not active:
  • has 3 stability.
• is not bankrupt.
• has less than 5 loans.
• has less than 5 corruption.
• does not own provinces controlled by rebels.
• does not have rebels.

Is this a bug plus when you manage to get it back to 50 Mandate the ticker doesn't reduce it stay what % is was last time

Progress halts if​

does not have an ongoing disaster. is not the ‘Age of Discovery’. If Mandate of Heaven is active, at least one of: is not the Emperor of China. is the Emperor of China with less than 50 mandate If Mandate of Heaven is notactive, at least one of: has country modifier “The Mandate of Heaven Lost” has country modifier “Lost Mandate of Heaven” Monthly progress The country: +10.0%​ not the Emperor of China and Mandate of Heaven is active. +10.0%​ mandate less than 10. +3.0%​ mandate between 10 and 30. +2.0%​ mandate between 30 and 50. +5.0%​ corruption is at least 10. +2.0%​ corruption between 5 and 10. +5.0%​ is bankrupt. +3.0%​ has at least 10 loans. +1.0%​ has at least 5 loans.

Both of the following conditions are true for the country: has an ongoing disaster. if Mandate of Heaven is active: has over 50 mandate if Mandate of Heaven is not active: does not have the country modifier “The Mandate of Heaven Lost” does not have the country modifier “Lost Mandate of Heaven”

 

[necro84]

There are many events that increase mandate but you should save money before triggering the disaster so you are able to pick this option without getting many loans.

You can also move your trade capital to the trade node like Girin or Siam and don't collect from your best nodes (just recall merchant when event fires). Events like Renowating pagoda takes 0,5 years income so it's better to don't have any income https://eu4.paradoxwikis.com/Chinese_Faction_events#Renovating_a_Pagoda

 

[Kapi96]

huh? I don't really understand, sorry.

It sounds like you're talking about 2 separate things. If that is the case then I don't think there's any error.

Are you saying the disaster won't end when you have over 75 mandate, no loans and less than 5 loans/corruption?

For the second part, those are the requirements to stop the disaster from ticking up, those are definitely unchanged. It's always required you to be in another disaster to prevent it. ie. once you've met the requirements to start progress towards it, it's basically permanent until it starts, even if it's not actively ticking up. Getting to 50, or 75, mandate does NOT stop it and never has. Is that what you mean? In that case you need to actually start the disaster (not just be progressing towards it) for the 75 mandate to end it.

 

[melvin85]

huh? I don't really understand, sorry. It sounds like you're talking about 2 separate things. If that is the case then I don't think there's any error. Are you saying the disaster won't end when you have over 75 mandate, no loans and less than 5 loans/corruption? For the second part, those are the requirements to stop the disaster from ticking up, those are definitely unchanged. It's always required you to be in another disaster to prevent it. ie. once you've met the requirements to start progress towards it, it's basically permanent until it starts, even if it's not actively ticking up. Getting to 50, or 75, mandate does NOT stop it and never has. Is that what you mean? In that case you need to actually start the disaster (not just be progressing towards it) for the 75 mandate to end it.

 

[melvin85]

What I mean is usually when a event is stop halfway due you hit 50Mandate.It will slow reduce the % monthly back to 0.In this case on ,once it is tigger and monthly it go up to 60% but you manage to get back to 50Mandate .The crisis stop but the 60% remain it wont reduce.In future if you down to 50 again it auto start from 60% rather than a reset from 0 .


Second thing to point out is.If you have the mandate of heaven DLC.You are suppose to get out of the crisis once you have 75 Mandate.The other requirement is only if you dont have mandate of heaven DLC

 

[necro84]

@melvin85 this disaster is something you have to trigger as a player, not something you need to avoid as all cost. Just prepare for the right moment - save money, manpower and admin points. Take reform at 100 mandate and when disaster triggers you should be at 35-40 (without loans it takes 50 months to go from 0 to 100 progress). You can provoke the rebels before the disaster so provinces gets "recent uprising" modifier. Don't repeat mistakes that AI makes.

You can even try to trigger it at higher mandate - just have below 50 when age of reformation starts so you need to get only 25 more mandate to end this

 

[grotaclas]

What I mean is usually when a event is stop halfway due you hit 50Mandate.It will slow reduce the % monthly back to 0.I

The crisis of the Ming dynasty disaster never had a condition which made it tick down again.

But it could be an oversight or bug that this disaster can't be stopped by being in a disaster already. It is quite possible that the stopping conditions were meant to be "has an ongoing disaster" or "has at least 50 mandate" and not both. The only other disaster which can't be stopped by being in a disaster already is The Northern and Southern Dynasties and there it is even more obviously a bug.

 

[Nostalgium]

The crisis of the Ming dynasty disaster never had a condition which made it tick down again.

But it could be an oversight or bug that this disaster can't be stopped by being in a disaster already. It is quite possible that the stopping conditions were meant to be "has an ongoing disaster" or "has at least 50 mandate" and not both. The only other disaster which can't be stopped by being in a disaster already is The Northern and Southern Dynasties and there it is even more obviously a bug.

I'm pretty sure it's not a bug that Crisis can't be stopped by being in a different disaster. It's tailored specifically to completely collapse the Ming, so snowballing crisis' seems on brand.

 

[grotaclas]

I'm pretty sure it's not a bug that Crisis can't be stopped by being in a different disaster. It's tailored specifically to completely collapse the Ming, so snowballing crisis' seems on brand.

But why can you then stop it by being in a different disaster and having 50 mandate? I think this combination doesn't make much sense. Do you see any reason why somebody would intentionally make this specific requirement? If it should be unstoppable, the stop condition should be "never" (always = no).

And I think it is weird that this allows a country to be in two disasters at the same time. That seems to be contrary how the other disasters in the game are designed.

 

[Nostalgium]

And I think it is weird that this allows a country to be in two disasters at the same time. That seems to be contrary how the other disasters in the game are designed.

I agree - everyone should be able to be in two disasters at once. Let me double-dip and get both Internal Conflicts and Peasant War out of the way, goddamnit!

On a more serious note, I agree that is unique, but not weird in such a way that I see it as a bug. Consider it like this: If you're in a Disaster, but your mandate is positive, the people would see that crisis as a crisis, but not neccessarily something divine. If you're in a disaster, but on negative mandate, the people would see that crisis as a further sign that the Emperor has lost the Mandate of Heaven, and progress towards even more civil unrest would be undeterred.

 

[melvin85]

so i should tigger peasant revolt and spam my mandate to max out all than come out of it so my crisis of ming wont spawn?