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Subscribed! A rather...interesting first couple of chapters. ;) I wish you luck! As ef already said, GH or Georgia. I would go with Georgia, they and their allies are usually much weaker.
 

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The Golden Horde and Georgia would be your best bet. Georgia is probably weaker, and it would allow you to eventually attack Qara. At the same time though you might annoy Ottomans... Uzbek isn't that bad. If Nogai joins you will be able to kill GH before Uzbec even gets close. But then again based on Haji's diplomacy with Genoa, he might declare war on both at once. And Lithuania for good measure. Well whatever you choose, I wish you luck.

Due to the historical friend relationship bonus pissing off the Ottomans would take a LOT of effort, so unless you intentionally go after them or get very unlucky, it's highly unlikely they'll turn agressive.
 

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Subscribed! A rather...interesting first couple of chapters. ;) I wish you luck! As ef already said, GH or Georgia. I would go with Georgia, they and their allies are usually much weaker.

Interesting seems about right, and upon thinking about It I think I'll go for Georgia, Whilst Uzbek is a long way away the sheer size of them is quite a deterrent. Though In the future I'll get my revenge on the Golden Horde, I'm sure.
 

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part 6-back into the battleground​

After about a year of peace Haji I, who was still quite a young ruler with many opressing liberating years to go was bored. Looking at the map of the Crimean world, he considered his targets.

"I've got it!" Haji yelped ecstatically, in suprising clearness, "Let's invade Ming!"

Haji's adviser let out a long, pained sigh. He was beggining to doubt whether the money, no matter how impressive It was, was worth this agony.

"That's a bit far, don't you think?" He said between gritted teeth.

Haji, seeing this, scanned his eyes westward. He saw the biggest thing he could and pointed to It.

"No, we are not invading Uzbek..."

"But whyyyyy," the mad king asked

At this point the adviser walked off, sick of It. He'd do all this on his own. There were three obvious choices.

The golden Horde
Genoa
Georgia

Genoa was out of the picture, given that even If they could take on the HRE, which they couldn't, but chances were that some other country like the Golden Horde or Lithuania would pounce.

Speaking of the horde, whilst they were of about equal strength to Crimea they had allies in that country below Georgia that is really strong (is it qara?) and the monster that is Uzbek.

So It seemed Georgia would be a simpler choice. Their diplomacy looked like:



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their only allies were a mysterious country to the west called Savoy. Chances are they wouldn't be able to get enough military access' from every country to even get to us. And someone who considers the near pathetic (sorry to those who are whatever a Byzantophile is) remains of the Byzantine empire their rival is really not going to be a strong country.

It looks promising.

More troops were raised up to replenish the numbers like they were pre-war (actually I think there were already more than there were at the start but eh). And in the mean time, in order to speed up the process of coring Asov reminded the people of their new ruler by:



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I've only just realised that's possible but It's really fun :D.



As you may have seen, other stuff was happening up the top, such as an Ottoman royal marriage, which I happily accepted.



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I hope the Ottomans kill you soon


*ahem*



A while of troop making later


We were just about to DoW (Is that the right thing?) Georgia when suddenly the Ottomans requested we aid them against the Byzantines and Athens. I assumed It was for Constantinople but instead they're attacking 'Morea'. I don't even know where that is :blink:

to avoid the prestige drop we joined them anyway, assuming we wouldn't have to do anything. I think Morea is in Terra Incognita and I don't know how to get rid of It (this is my first game) so I'd just watch from afar. It's not like they'd need help.



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as soon as this wraps up we'll get straight on to Georgia...




As predicted for once, the Ottomans made short work of the Byzantines armies and were quickly sieging all of the southernmost island of what is modern day Greece.




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As we went on 'taking part' in the war, asov New Crimea finally figured out It's Crimean.



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Suddenly, this happened.




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interesting... I'm not sure given my nil experience whether this is good or bad, but It is...something...


Crimea were pretty much forced to do something in the war as, aided by some Ottoman ships, we engaged against the Byzantines. Though for some reason until the Ottomans joined they were absolutely destroying us. Though nevertheless we eventually triumphed.



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This is just something interesting I'd show.




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I declined It because I didn't see the point in having the treaty but It's a bit weird considering they're at war with Granada and the only countries involved in the war are in Iberia and northern Africa.



A couple of months later both upping relations with Moldovia stopped and the Ottomans secured Morena. This meant I could improve relations with the always-scary Lithuania and also I could get ever closer to getting out of the war with a bit of money to pay off the ships I lost-then I could finally declare war on Georgia.


a while of nothing more than the Ottomans sieging (Is that the correct spelling? Google begs to differ.)



But soon Georgia was yet again attacked in a way that could possibly take away our opportunity to invade...and of course It's that vile...machiavellien...*trails into a variety of vibrant insults*



But yeah, the Golden Horde went and declared war on Georgia.



*screenshot of golden horde declaring war on Georgia goes here*


e.o


Anyhow, I didn't want to attack Georgia until the Ottomans finished up in Morea due to the fact that I'm not sure of the effects of two wars at once. Then,
It wouldn't be the first time I've been in two wars because of th-*deep inhale*


Ok, back to topic.


Nothing happened that effected us for quite a long time. The Ottomans, as you may expect, had no trouble in the war.



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And also, our old friend came back after the 'annul all treaties' ended.


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I was getting quite bored at this rate, and even with a large warscore they wouldn't give me even 5 ducats so I decided to just get white peace with them, after all
a. this part has gone on ages now
b. It means I can get onto Georgia



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So, as the Crimeans stopped watching the war, It was time to attack...Crimea were back!


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I'll get another thing out today most likely, also since I messed up on one of the screenshots and posted the wrong one here is Uzbek (I posted some diplomacy one when i was meant to post It).


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Also I realised that I posted the wrong one with the Golden Horde DoWing Georgia but I don't see the point in reposting it.
 

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Part 7-no longer the underdogs

Georgia simply didn't have the forces to repel yet another attack. 3 wars at once waged upon their lands; Qara, the Golden horde...and now Crimea.

It was simply getting torn apart by opposition left and right, two provinces were already being sieged by the Golden Horde and we'd started on a first.


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Meanwhile in the Ottoman-Byzantine war over Morea things had more or less wrapped up, once Constantinople and Athens had been occupied chances are the war would end.


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After a while, we were actually occupying It very quickly but nevertheless the Golden Horde managed to get their first province under control, and interestingly Georgia were actually doing quite well against Qara, I think they even got a province or two.


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At the same time as the Golden Horde occupied their second province, we had finished sieging Abkhazia.


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Upon quickly looking at 'sue for peace' I saw the two options were full annexation, which with all those other wars would take far too long to do, as It'd mean waiting for many other countries to pull out of Georgia first.

Also though the only other one province I could get was Abkasia, which, to my suprise, was gettable already.

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we took It.


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With a new province gained-Crimea were making one message clear...


We're not weak anymore.
 

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You probably should have declared war a lot sooner. Being in multiple wars at once isn't a problem, who your enemies are is what you should look at. Athens and Byzantium were no threat to you, so starting the war earlier would have been good. Now Golden Horde will likely annex Georgia and force you to fight them. Also, try not to peace out of allied wars unless you have really bad WE, it gives them a negative penalty to relations. You are probably safe because it's the Ottomans, but it's something to remember. I don't know how much money you are making, but if GH does annex Georgia, you should support rebels. It will keep their manpower low, and they might lose the land to rebels. Trezibond also looks appealing, and you have almost no Over Extension. I'd also look into allying Qara, they would help a lot in a war with GH. One final thing, the ledger is great for checking the army size of your neighbors. If they have a small army, try to carpet siege. Standing 15K in a single prov to siege just gives you extra attrition. Other than all of that, you look like you are in a good spot. Good Job!
 

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You probably should have declared war a lot sooner. Being in multiple wars at once isn't a problem, who your enemies are is what you should look at. Athens and Byzantium were no threat to you, so starting the war earlier would have been good. Now Golden Horde will likely annex Georgia and force you to fight them. Also, try not to peace out of allied wars unless you have really bad WE, it gives them a negative penalty to relations. You are probably safe because it's the Ottomans, but it's something to remember. I don't know how much money you are making, but if GH does annex Georgia, you should support rebels. It will keep their manpower low, and they might lose the land to rebels. Trezibond also looks appealing, and you have almost no Over Extension. I'd also look into allying Qara, they would help a lot in a war with GH. One final thing, the ledger is great for checking the army size of your neighbors. If they have a small army, try to carpet siege. Standing 15K in a single prov to siege just gives you extra attrition. Other than all of that, you look like you are in a good spot. Good Job!


Thanks, I'll take this into consideration!
 

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As usual ef beat me to it...;).
I don't think Lithuania believes that you aren't weak anymore! :p Are they in a PU under Poland or independent?
 

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Just a question; how do I 'get rid of' Terra Incognita?
There are three ways. The first is that it's revealed over time, but that takes a LONG time (1600~ to see around Africa) The second is to have a territory next to it. It has a chance of revealing every month. The last is the best. Get exploration ideas and hire a Conquistador/Explorer. They will allow you to traverse TI and map it out. As far as I know those are your only options.
 

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There are three ways. The first is that it's revealed over time, but that takes a LONG time (1600~ to see around Africa) The second is to have a territory next to it. It has a chance of revealing every month. The last is the best. Get exploration ideas and hire a Conquistador/Explorer. They will allow you to traverse TI and map it out. As far as I know those are your only options.


Thanks! I didn't have a slightest clue before. I'll probably wait for It to reveal itself since I have no need to get exploration Ideas (I'm not planning on colonising since I'm not sure how to do It at this point, and I don't see myself going Über agressive into Europe.
 

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Part 8-Many enemies


Haji I had been on the throne for 12 years now, and accomplished two provinces. He considered Crimea strong.

Some countries may disagree, though Candar obviously didn't seeing their alliance-a-month they send me, the threats still loomed. The danger of the Golden Horde, though largely unknown, was most likely similar to Crimea's. I'd talked about Uzbek multiple times, though the thing is they, according to the ledger, actually had less troops than us. Lithuania on the other hand was both large and had vast troops and manpower, not to mention the vast array of allies, varying in strength and westerness.

Anyhow, as we started up again something that I've not seen on other people's games happen:


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Usually when Constantinople goes, so does the Byzantine. Right?


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well ok then..


Troops in New Crimea had largely restored their former numbers, though with my economy a bit better I'd go on to raise a couple more thousand to prepare for
whatever war I might charge into next. I was considering going after the Golden Horde while their troops were in Georgia.

Oh yeah did I not mention? We're going to war with the Golden Horde, Haji I did It *snaps fingers* like that. If you've been reading this from the start you should know about Haji I's diplomacy skills.


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unfortunately our recent allies, Aq Qoyonlu (Is that the right spelling?) due to being in the war with the Golden Horde against Georgia for some reason they couldn't join us, so this was the lineup:



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the Ottoman said no...


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Well It was a fun ride..







Though Crimea were going to put their all in It..



The onset of the war, as none of the Golden Horde's backup had arrived, looked promising. Nogai proved to be initially helpful.


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as soon as we'd raised one more infantry division we'd attack the GH in Abkhasia.



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or not...



we got as many troops as we could but It simply wasn't enough...


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Maybe Crimea was weak after all...
 

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Ouch...If you have a good general you might still win. You get a %25 shock bonus since you are fighting on your own land and are a horde. Still... that would be a difficult fight. What tech level are you at? If you are ahead of GH you could probably crush that stack due to the Tactics increase. If all else fails though don't be afraid to peace out.
 

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Beside the solutions offered by ef, you could also just siege their land, if you have a good siege general.