In MP most of the time people, when they're at war, creating vassals to protect their borders. I think, eu3 creators should put a rule that, 'creating vassal at wartime causes your vassal go to war together with you' etc..
Creating Vassals at War
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Doesn't make sense really, why would they suddenly go to war with you after you gave them their freedom? And in any case it does not solve the problem of the vassal being used as a shield. Better IMO to give a free CB on the vassal to anyone you are at war with.III.Selim said:
Buffer states. They've been consistently used throughout History. Why should the game prevent it from happening?
KaiserChicken said:
Then declaring war on a vassal should not cost stability. Since you are at war with owner of the nation. No lacking casus belli.
Registered, I believe Selim is saying (and Selim, by all means, correct me if I'm wrong) that the vassal should join in any wars you're fighting. For example, say France is at war with Burgundy and England. France then creates a vassal during this war. This vassal, Champagne, now declares war on Burgundy and England.
No, i should be sorry. i couldn't explain. 
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...and one more thing. Owner of the vassal should decide how much should vassal pay every year (that makes big reason to stay or leave your owner) and vassal shouldn't declare war on a nation unless his master does.
o...and one more thing. Owner of the vassal should decide how much should vassal pay every year (that makes big reason to stay or leave your owner) and vassal shouldn't declare war on a nation unless his master does.
III.Selim said:No, i should be sorry. i couldn't explain.
...and one more thing. Owner of the vassal should decide how much should vassal pay every year (that makes big reason to stay or leave your owner) and vassal shouldn't declare war on a nation unless his master does.
That makes sense. You could then chose whether you want a vassal who is useful in a military sense (if you give them more money, they can invest more in their army/economy tech) or just financially rape them. I also think that a higher tribute fee would result in a higher revolt risk for that vassal. After all, the people aren't going to like a government that gives away 90% of its income to some foreign power that uses it as a buffer.
Speaking of vassals, I like somebody's proposal that you should be able to make a vassal out of any state you like and with as many states as you like. After all, if I suddenly decide that I don't want to deal with, say, Indian colonies anymore, I don't think I should be limited to the preexisting nations that were there before. After all, I went to a LOT of effort destroying them. I want to be able to make, say, French India out of all of the provinces. I also like the idea of being able to determine aspects of that country, like its state religion. If I convert an Indian province to Catholicism, it makes no sense for me to install an Islamic or Hindi government.
And I also think, back on topic, that the Buffer States strategy shouldn't be outlawed.
In HOI 2 all puppets (similar to EU II vassals) are created as part of the created alliance, and at war with whoever their master is. I imagine it would be very easy to do the same thing in EU III.
I've said before there really ought to be different sorts of vassal, or at least how loyal a vassal is should vary. I'm thinking of Wallachia as a vassal of the Ottoman Empire - the Wallachians deliberately "dragged their feet" about sending troops to help the Ottoman attack on Vienna and eventually didn't send anyone, while Mihai Viteazul declared war without the Sultan being at war and invaded Transylvania. Other voivodes, on the other hand, did just as they were told.
Gjerg Kastrioti said:
At the very least all Beligerants in the alliance opposing the nation releasing the Vassals should have a Causus Belli against those Vassals, following the idea that these states are really just a part of the Parent State in the big picture. This would allow these new vassals to be over-run and annexed in a separate peace if one so choses..