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The Finish winter war:
If you must attack Finland, than you really should finish the job and bring the nation to socialism. Because Finland will join Germany in operation Barbarossa and as USSR, you really cant afford an extra front. I will annex Finland mostly because, there is a great possibility that they will attack me, if I attack Germany. This war should not be taken lightly, because it can be surprisingly difficulty to beat the crap out of Finland (No offense to anyone).


The plan:
The plan is to break the finish army with sheer weight of numbers (I use the tactic of controlled proceeding (As I call it), which I will explain on the JUN 1941 reply). As you can see on the plan, the biggest battles will take place on the border and coast areas (See the support arrows). The inland should be taken without any major difficulties. The deployed army to finish the Finish (lol) is:
-1x HQ
-4x Light armored divisions
-4x TAC
-4x INT
-4x CAS (Deployed on late JAN 1940)
-5x Ships (2 BS and 3 DD)
-11x Mountain divisions
-12x Motorized divisions
-96x Infantry divisions (18 and 36. Some get SPA attachments during the war).


Opening battles:
The best province to start with is Kajaani, because the attack can be supported from 2 provinces (Every 8th hour (More or less) a screen is taken, to report the situation. The bunker pic I use does not have any influence on the game. I just like the pic very much).


The bombers do a fine job killing off the retreating army (The finish winter war is also a great training opportunity for the Red army, to gain some battle experience).


After Kajaani is occupied, the provinces on the sides are the next target. Those border battles are the easiest part of the war. Then more I proceed into the inland, than more resistance there is (This doesn't apply to Germany- than deeper you go than weaker the defense).


The battle for Rovaniemi. Here the finish hold for quite some time before being broken. Armies for supporting attacks are always in place in case more resistance comes in the way.


That is what I mean with more resistance.


Personal comment:
Sorry for the long delay. But I had to kill a nasty virus on my computer. The next reply will come very soon. As you can see about the battle descriptions, I'm no great story writer, so don't await too much regarding this part of the AAR.

Lascars-Thats true (But they never used them in action, just to show off lol).

soonerborn0524-Republican Spain becomes Left wing radical if the right event option is chosen by the AI.

Laurwin-You have a point there, but for me its just not effective, because the historical date penalty.

BritishImperial-Scared of Finland? I just try to keep my loses at an minimum. But if Germany would be replaced by Finland, than I would be scared.

Carlito Gambino-Well if there are a lot of battles for a province, its infrastructure goes down, and it is very hard to capture it. If you have paras you can do it in a moment. And they are also good to capture islands and lock encirclements.

4th Dimension-Thats also an option, but I take no chances.

Deus Eversor-Well if you do massed armored movement, a fall in the resource can be seen.[/FONT]
 
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I love it when people create the Finnish SSR.

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Similar plan to mine. Same first strike province. Only I don't bother takeing Joensuu after I break their front at Kajani. J and Karelia will form a big pocekt containing most of the finish army, so they wont' get in the way of Tank Race Grand Prix of Finland between Zhukov and Konev. The winner is the one ho first captures Helsinki, and holds it. Infantry folovs my forcess. Those troops at north can be eliminated with cooperation between CAS and a Infantry corps.
 

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Wouldn't be better if after Kajaani you attack Rovaniemi?
With this move you will encircle the Finnish in Petsamo.
 

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soonerborn0524 said:
I love it when people create the Finnish SSR.

539px-Flag_of_the_Karelo-Finnish_SSR.svg.png

Hey, i just decided to drop by tell that i like this aar! :cool: You inspired to start a new Soviet Union -game.

Btw, isn't that ugly flag actually Karelia's SSR -flag? Soviet suckers actually didn't need to design flag for Finnish SSR.
 
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Von Perkele said:
Hey, i just decided to drop by tell that i like this aar! :cool: You inspired to start a new Soviet Union -game.

Btw, isn't that ugly flag actually Karelia's SSR -flag? Soviet suckers actually didn't needed to design flag for Finnish SSR.
Karelia is full of Karelians, who speak a Finnic language; I think the plan was to combine Finland with the Karelo-Finnish SSR, but when that wasn't gonna happen they got rid of it.
 

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I hate to see my home country beaten. :(

Would have been funnier to see 'what not to do with the finns' than a complete victory over them. :p
 

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Karelia is full of Karelians, who speak a Finnic language; I think the plan was to combine Finland with the Karelo-Finnish SSR, but when that wasn't gonna happen they got rid of it.

Yes, i know that very well, my grandparents are actually karelian and i am living in north-karelia near russian border, but i didn't know that they were actually planning to create Karelo-Finnish SSR...

But enough of off-topic.
 
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The last border battle for Sortavala. Surprisingly it was a lot less effort to take it as taught on the start.

The inland battles begin:
The soviet armies have bravely proceeded into the inland of Finland. But the attack almost got disrupted, because no one of the soviet commanders could spell the name of the province lol.


The battle for Mikkaeli. It was the most bloody battle for any inland province. Infarct if the Finish wouldn't retreat, they could delay their the Soviet army for atleast a day.


The first air battle occurs in the gulf of Finland. The Finish quality, versus the soviet numbers bring no victor out of the battle.


The battle for Olulu. With this province taken, the 5 divisions in northern Finland, will be encircled and destroyed. Not to mention the 2 divisions already disbanded by the Soviet bombing operations.


Another bloody battle occurred in the forests of Tempere, but there was no problem, since field marshal Burdenij was the leader (He has the ranger trait).


The last stand of the north Finish army was made in the province Torino. They fought so bravely, that support had to be called from another province, in order to made the attack successful.


Personal comment: Told you I would reply very soon. This post will maybe be modified and also the last one.

soonerborn0524-Too bad I wont create it (Atleast not directly).

4th Dimension-Yep, that does also work.

Mico94-This reply should answerer your question.

Von Perkele-Well good for you. And no, that is not the flag of Karelia. But this is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karelian_ASSR .

soonerborn0524-I don't really know, why did they put so much work into the flags. They could just take the normal Finland flag and place a communist swastika somewhere on it.

AgamemnonNL-Good for you.

Enewald-Well it just looks cool if Finish become a part of the USSR. And I don't want to have them on my back when I declare war upon Germany.

Von Perkele-Well if it does interest you, the Fins didn't go down without a fight lol.
 
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Well, attacking Mikkeli from Joensuu is really disastrous. Saimaannorrpa shall eat the conquerors. :cool:

Yay, I am 1/4 karelian, lol. :D

And why is Jyväskylä hard to pronounce? :confused:

How much manpower was lost during the finnish campaign?
 

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actually i like that flag not that it looks nice (it looks not so aweful) but why should finland be without karelia if finland was back in the fold?

the actuall border of finland and USSR is only false because it is only a cease fire front line of episode of russian civil war in pre Soviet Times where white finland ceased fire with Bolshevik Russia

(please stop saying Soviets=Russia not even the bolshevik russia)


so Delex tell us
you plan grand celebration or memorial to brave fins who stood the wrong way on the front?
 
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Very good doing well against the finns keep it up. :D
 
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The Finish made another last stand in the province Vassa. But it should prove a much lesser problem as the battle for Tornio.


On the end of January, the second most bloody battle of the war began. Viipuri was the key to Helsinki and the Finish would not give it up easily. It is also speculated, that the Soviets had the greatest loses in this battle. It was also the first battle in which SPA was used.


After 2 full days of bloody combat, the Soviets have finally defeated the Finnish resistance and moved on. But the biggest battle was yet to come.


The Battle for Helsinki:
February has begun with some bombing operations on the retreating Finish armies, which were all heading for Helsinki. CAS aircraft were also used for the first time ever.


The battle for the city itself begun on 7th February 1940 (It was then that Viipuri was occupied). The city was attacked from three separate locations, with a force of 640.000 soldiers. They outnumbered the defenders for more than 10:1. It should also be the first total war battle ever (For the soviets). The battle was running smoothly for the first 24 hours. But just before the defenders were about to break, they received reinforcements (Those were the armies which retreated from Viipuri). And the Finns also started separate counterattacks, which disorganized the attacking Soviet armies.


The situation stabilized again on 9th February. But in order to make a faster progress, additional 120.000 troops were dispatched by the STAVKA high command (Light tank divisions, did also participate in the battle). As a last hope to save the city, the Finnish exchanged the commander of the defending army.


The new commander indeed succeeded to delay and exhaust the defenders, which were experiencing heavy morale loss. In order win the battle, 8 aircraft squadrons were sent in by the STAVKA to disorganize the defenders. And for an extra morale injection, both available battleships were dispatched from Leningrad to bombard the docks of the city. In the morning of the 10th February 1940, a white flag was risen by the defending garrison of the city. The battle was finally over. The soldiers which survived the hell of Hellsinki (No offense here. I know there is only one L) and have proved extraordinary courage, were awarded with a special medal. The war was finally near to an end.


Personal comment: Sorry for another long delay but I was out of the country.

Enewald-Well maybe it is easy for you. But it is almost impossible for me. Can you write how you pronounce it? For the losses, well thats hard to say. I can only give you a rough number of 50MP+-20MP.

Deus Eversor-Sorry if I did say Russian instead of Soviet (Notify me if I do it again somewhere, so I can edit the post). I am fully aware that it isn't the same. And there will probably be only a grand celebration or memorial for the 50.000+- Soviets, which have given up their lives to make Finland a SSR.

Mozla-Well it was hard to break their stubborn resistance.
 

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Pity for the casualties, but Finland is a great experience boster (sorry, Enewald :D )
 

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Kurt_Steiner said:
Pity for the casualties, but Finland is a great experience boster (sorry, Enewald :D )

rahrah. :eek:o

Yay, the battle of Helsinki wasn't easy!

Shame on you, attacking a small peaceful city. :eek:o

I am not good at writing how to pronounce something, Jyväskylä is just jyväskylä. :rofl:
 

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whoa, the finns were outnumbered greatly, but resisted really good.
The Soviets faced a brave opponent, but at the end they were victorius.
Hope that will be the same in summer 1941 :p
 

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Enewald i think i would read it Iivoskylo

well batle of Helsink was hard only because Delex as it seemes wanted to capture Viipuri before else

I usually attack Helsinki before Viipuri to encircle everyone and everything in in Fins preciuos Manerheim line :]
 

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Vanilla Hoi2 DD/ARMA is so easy I can't play it anymore without a decent mod that makes the game more challenging and realistic :cool:

Switch to "very hard" to make the game less one-sided :)