so i like playing as the byzantines.i even bought a book about them lol on ebay.i got the restore imperial borders before but im wondering with the threat level is it possible to do this again with the newest patch ?
Creating Rome possible with threat level ?
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Yes, it is. I have just restored Rome and reclaimed the old imperial borders in ironman (it took me almost 400 years though...). I think it has become a much more politics game where you have to get claims for entire kingdoms (instead of imperial reconquest).
Imperial conquest sucked anyways. If you can't holy war it, just get a kingdom claim and be done with it.
As soon as you restore rome, claim all the holy places and end the schism you can holy war against all Catholic Rulers.
Much quicker than imperial conquest.
Much quicker than imperial conquest.
Or, is it better to become Catholic, and have access to eventually all of the Holy Orders?
I did it just now, I'm just waiting for 1453 to hit to get the achievement. I started in 876 start as count of Smyrna. The start was a little slow, but once I became the Basileus (the Spy On option is a little bit OP) things went much faster. You will sit on 100 infamy pretty much whole game, nothing can help about that. For christians, betroth underage kids to get NAP's which you break right away and DOW to avoid coalition. Always attack rebels of other realms. For muslims you have to ship your troops to the target duchy lightning fast and assault siege it down. You won't get 100% warscore ever, since it will cap on 99% unless you win a major battle(major battle=at least 5%warscore worth and since battle warscores scale with the participating troops number, have fun winning a 20k vs 20k batte, and realize it was worth 0.25% or less warscore).Luckily for you they will regularly give up around 85-95% warscore. In short, assault siege, assault siege, and assault siege. You have to have the numbers to do that before you decide to attack.
Why would you, the Emperor of Rome, want to belittle yourself before a churchman. Catholicism means that you are saying you aren't the boss of all the world, the Pope is.
Also, since Catholicism is a heresy, the Holy Orders will flip to Orthodoxy anyway.
Once you get to about 50k troops < 900 or 100k troops at ~1000 year mark you can gobble up duchies like nobody's business. Doing this regardless of threat.
Just, try not to do this on a large Kingdom Claim. I spent 10 in game years with 50k troops in ~900 A.D. on my claim on the Lombards. Every single religion I bordered sent troops against me.
Just, try not to do this on a large Kingdom Claim. I spent 10 in game years with 50k troops in ~900 A.D. on my claim on the Lombards. Every single religion I bordered sent troops against me.
Why end the schism, when you can simply turn Catholic instead, vassalize the Pope, and then ask him for as many ducal claims as your piety allows you?
Because in-game Orthodoxy is, quite frankly, useless? Here is an imaginary conversation for you.
Emperor: Now, that my mother is dead and I inherited her claim on the kingdoms of France and Aquitaine, I want to invade them! The great schism is mended, they are both orthodox, surely you can grant me an invasion, my dear Ecumenical Patriarch?
Ecumenical Patriarch: Alas, Sire, I cannot. To grant an invasion both of you have to have the same religious head, and their religious head is quite clearly the Patriarch of Rome.
E: Ok, I will ask the Patriarch of Rome then, he is my vassal as well. Grant me an invasion!
PoR: I'm sorry, Sire, only the Ecumenical Patriarch can grant invasions.
E: '"+!+"%==//%§0$@&#, dammit! Ok then, I have this troublesome vassal in Syria, Ecumenical Patriarch, I want him excommunicated!
EP: Sorry, Sire, both of you have to have the same religious head, and his is quite clearly the Patriarch of Antioch.
E: I know where this is going. Surely the Patriarch of Antioch is going to tell me only the Ecumenical Patriarch can excommunicate.
PoA: With my deepest respect, Sire, I have to correct your majesty. Both of you have to have the same religious head, and yours is quite clearly the Ecumenial Patriarch.
E: Tell me one goddamn reason why I shouldn't just revoke all your bishoprics and give everything to the EP?
Patriarchs: We have to inform you with our deepest regret, your majesty, that our Paradox gods forbid us to held more then one Patriarch seat.
E: So you can't call Crusade, can't grant me invasion, can't excomunnicate at will, what are you exactly good for?
P: ...........
E: Ok, My Ecclesiarch, come here. You will sit on Constantinople and keep researching economic tech, and I don't want to see you back until you researched some Catholic or Fraticelli heresy which are actually useful. All of you are dismissed!
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Why are you begging churchmen to grant you the title of a barbarian foederatus? Gaul is part of the Empire, so Reconquer it.
In my current game, Catharism replaced Catholicism early on, and I went Iconoclast rather than converting to Orthodoxy. So I can't mend the schism and the Holy Orders sit under the heretical Catholics I believe. I'm not in game to verify that at the moment.
For the very simple reason: Imperial Reconquest is a duchy-level claim, you have to wait 5-6 truces/kingdom on average (some has less, some has more...) and it only vassalizes the title holders, meaning it's actually very easy to lose part of it by inheritance. Now in contrast if those useless churchmen would grant that kingdom-level CB....
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I just restored Rome beginning in 769 and certainly not doing mad dash to get it done as soon as possible, restored the imperial borders, (so not just rome, but the SPQR achievement) by 1249.
Lots of variables but the thing to remember is that the Muslims are weak. They might have 20K but you can take them with a good 10-15K force if you are all built up. Even if they are all against you it takes the muslims forever to march from Spain to Holy Land or across the dessert. Its really just about striking at the right time and trying to do battles for war score so you dont get bogged down with years and years of sieges. I just Holy Warred for Alexandria so I have Tunis left to the west and then the Holy Land. And its only like 940something. I have the King of Georgia pouncing on any targets that go indy
I let Sicily whittle away at southern italy and just did marriages to get claims on lomardy and pressed a claim when the king had just gotten over some war so my forces were far superior. IIRC I did it with just my retinue and the varangian guard. Since Im not going past the alps yet I dont really care about any Christian alliances because of theat level.
But really who can stand against you. The Franks are always fighting each other or dealing with Muslim spain so at most you might see 5k force show up. I have bastard cousins pressing their claims with more troops. The pagans are a joke.
I let Sicily whittle away at southern italy and just did marriages to get claims on lomardy and pressed a claim when the king had just gotten over some war so my forces were far superior. IIRC I did it with just my retinue and the varangian guard. Since Im not going past the alps yet I dont really care about any Christian alliances because of theat level.
But really who can stand against you. The Franks are always fighting each other or dealing with Muslim spain so at most you might see 5k force show up. I have bastard cousins pressing their claims with more troops. The pagans are a joke.
The answer to most every question about threat is that it's nothing more than a mild inconvenience. At worst, it means you have to wait a decade or two before declaring your next war. If you're sufficiently powerful and your target is sufficiently weak, you can even just ignore the coalition entirely and finish the war without them having a chance to bring their troops to bear. Threat is an extra thing to consider when you're blobbing, but anyone who tells you it makes anything "impossible" simply doesn't understand it.
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It's not that difficult even with pacts if you go about it the right way.
Just look at this guy; the Empire was restored generations ago and it's not even AD 1000.
Just look at this guy; the Empire was restored generations ago and it's not even AD 1000.